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Manufactured Gas Crisis?? George Will's infinite wisdom????

Postby Heading_for_the_hills » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 11:25:56

I read the editorial below by George Will this morning in the local paper....This guy is a complete idiot!! Thought I would share as he is syndicated and his editorials run across the country....your thoughts on it? I am shocked by his stupidity and hatred for the "crazy" liberals. Being in the Tidewater area, home of CBN and Pat Robertson, I am sure Pat is going to discuss.....LOL

http://news.bostonherald.com/editorial/ ... at=&page=1
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Re: Manufactured Gas Crisis?? George Will's infinite wisdom?

Postby Heading_for_the_hills » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 12:02:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 1979 President Jimmy Carter, an early practitioner of the Oh, Woe! School of Planetary Analysis (today Al Gore is the dean of that school), said that oil wells were “drying up.” Not exactly


so according to Will's comments...are we all "chicken little's"???....the sky is falling, the sky is falling..
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Re: Manufactured Gas Crisis?? George Will's infinite wisdom?

Postby emersonbiggins » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 12:03:41

Kramer on Seinfeld summed this guy up quite well:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'K')ramer: " Hmm! Oh! Yeah. I'll tell you who is an attractive man; George Will."
Jerry: "Really!"
Kramer: "Yeah! He has clean looks, scrubbed and shampooed and...."
Elaine: "He's smart...."
Kramer: "No, no I don't find him all that bright."
"It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."

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Re: Manufactured Gas Crisis?? George Will's infinite wisdom?

Postby DantesPeak » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 12:14:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')rctic National Wildlife Refuge or offshore


Is there anyone who thinks that ANWAR or offshore could even replace 10% of US crude imports of 10 million barrels per day?

Saying that environmentalists are the cause of high prices is disingenuous. But even more so - it misleads the American public into thinking that its just a matter of will to produce enough oil, or just another government subsidy away to get more biofuel production.
It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
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Re: Manufactured Gas Crisis?? George Will's infinite wisdom?

Postby thuja » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 12:17:55

This is the way conservatives like to pin anyone concerned with PO or GW- as doom-and-gloom pessimists. There...you're easily written off...now lets move on...to important ideas like cutting taxes and not letting gay people get married.

Its funny and sad. George Will has actually moved away from supporting the war and the neocon cabal to the point where he seems more "moderate" these days. But very few people can wrap their heads around the idea of world oil production reducing year after year after year. Certainly not the conservatives.

And the liberals are almost worse. They say "Oh we can solve the nation's problems with compact flourescents and ethanol!" But we can't. Sorry. We can and should move towards efficiencies and some smart alternatives but we will not be able to fully mitigate the impending crisis. We will only be able to adapt.

When I hear a politician or pundit start talking like that I'll start listening. For now they are all caught up in 20th century thinking...
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Postby dinopello » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 12:58:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'B')ut very few people can wrap their heads around the idea of world oil production reducing year after year after year. Certainly not the conservatives.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am a conservative, but I try not to be an idiot.

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Re: Manufactured Gas Crisis?? George Will's infinite wisdom?

Postby vision-master » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 13:10:32

    "It's those oil companies gouging us"!

    "We have 100 years of oil left"

    "God wouldn't allow this to happen"

    "Blank stare"


I give up. :shock:

FYI: Reg just went up to $2.79 gal.
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Postby TommyJefferson » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 13:14:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'T')his is the way conservatives like to pin anyone concerned with PO or GW- as doom-and-gloom pessimists.


That is irritating. I participate in some libertarian forums. Any time I mention Peak Oil, the faux-conservative neocons on those forums throw out the old chestnut about how all our petroleum problems would be solved if only those nasty "liberals" would let us tap ANWAR.

It's tedious. 1. Neocons aren't conservatives. 2. Neocons aren't libertarians.

Remember how during the 2005 hurricanes the "conservative" Joe Sixpacks squealed for government intervention to "do something" about high gasoline prices? Knuckleheads.

I told them this...

Exxon's yearly profits on sales: about 10.5%

Compare to:

Yahoo 36.1%
Microsoft 31.6%
Ebay 23.8%
Coca-Cola 21.1%
Harley-Davidson 16.9%
McDonald's 12.7%

I wish these mini fascists would keep their minds on the gays getting married and getting prayer into high school football games. We'd all be better off.
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Re: Manufactured Gas Crisis?? George Will's infinite wisdom?

Postby vision-master » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 13:20:34

I get it all the time from these nut-cakes too.
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Re: Manufactured Gas Crisis?? George Will's infinite wisdom?

Postby killJOY » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 13:27:28

Rejoice, for it's clear:

George Will is not going to be prepared!


What are we peakers going to do with all that schadenfreude in a few years?

(Don't look puzzled. Admit it.)
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Re: Manufactured Gas Crisis?? George Will's infinite wisdom?

Postby pup55 » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 15:01:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his decline was produced by an abrupt and substantial increase in the price of gasoline, which no politician, least of all the president, is proposing


No, it was produced by a hell of a recession, induced by Paul Volcker's interest rate increases, that drove unemployment up over 12% in some areas. Also, it was produced by the direct government action of requiring motor vehicles to get better gas mileage (the CAFE standards) which no one will touch with a 10 foot pole today because the Republicans are in the pockets of the oil companies, and the Democrats are in the pockets of the auto unions.

George, the free marketeer, seems to have forgotten these minor details.
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Re: Manufactured Gas Crisis?? George Will's infinite wisdom?

Postby seahorse2 » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 15:50:54

Ole Georgy Porgy needs to read this "Liberal" report put out by the "liberal" Baker Institute back in April 2001 talking about the energy issues facing the US. The recommends all kinds of liberal things like uping vehicle mileage requirements and even negotiating with Iraq and Iran to diversify and develop world oil resources upon which we rely, otherwise, we run the risk of becoming another third world country - Baker's words, not mine.

Baker Report PDF
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Re: Manufactured Gas Crisis?? George Will's infinite wisdom?

Postby pup55 » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 21:07:56

I thought of this while I was reading the Baker Institute report:

Another government action which was annoying at the time but really effective was lowering the national speed limit to 55mph, thus improving reducing fuel consumption on the highways by 10% overnight.
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Re: Manufactured Gas Crisis?? George Will's infinite wisdom?

Postby TreebeardsUncle » Fri 06 Apr 2007, 01:19:31

I read the article too, but as far as most people are concerned it still comes across as plausible. There is still a believe that OPEC can turn up the taps and oil will flow plentifully. The American "conservative" Repulican mindset is that "we can drill our way out." and the American "liberal" response is to jump up and down and shout "Biofuels." This will go on the for next 10 years.
You have plenty of time to take advantage of the situation and get prepared. I am going to buy more drillers. I already got some stock in BHI and Hemerich and Payne earlier this winter and plan on buying into Noble and/or TransOcean next winter after this summer's peak.

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Re: Manufactured Gas Crisis?? George Will's infinite wisdom?

Postby cudabachi » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 08:35:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'T')his is the way conservatives like to pin anyone concerned with PO or GW- as doom-and-gloom pessimists.


That is irritating. I participate in some libertarian forums. Any time I mention Peak Oil, the faux-conservative neocons on those forums throw out the old chestnut about how all our petroleum problems would be solved if only those nasty "liberals" would let us tap ANWAR.

It's tedious. 1. Neocons aren't conservatives. 2. Neocons aren't libertarians.

Remember how during the 2005 hurricanes the "conservative" Joe Sixpacks squealed for government intervention to "do something" about high gasoline prices? Knuckleheads.

I told them this...

Exxon's yearly profits on sales: about 10.5%

Compare to:

Yahoo 36.1%
Microsoft 31.6%
Ebay 23.8%
Coca-Cola 21.1%
Harley-Davidson 16.9%
McDonald's 12.7%

I wish these mini fascists would keep their minds on the gays getting married and getting prayer into high school football games. We'd all be better off.


Thank you. One of the more lucid posts I´ve read.
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Re: Manufactured Gas Crisis?? George Will's infinite wisdom?

Postby Terrapin » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 15:27:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'T')his is the way conservatives like to pin anyone concerned with PO or GW- as doom-and-gloom pessimists.


That is irritating. I participate in some libertarian forums. Any time I mention Peak Oil, the faux-conservative neocons on those forums throw out the old chestnut about how all our petroleum problems would be solved if only those nasty "liberals" would let us tap ANWAR.

It's tedious. 1. Neocons aren't conservatives. 2. Neocons aren't libertarians.

Remember how during the 2005 hurricanes the "conservative" Joe Sixpacks squealed for government intervention to "do something" about high gasoline prices? Knuckleheads.

I told them this...

Exxon's yearly profits on sales: about 10.5%

Compare to:

Yahoo 36.1%
Microsoft 31.6%
Ebay 23.8%
Coca-Cola 21.1%
Harley-Davidson 16.9%
McDonald's 12.7%

I wish these mini fascists would keep their minds on the gays getting married and getting prayer into high school football games. We'd all be better off.


I have had reasonable success with a response similar to “So you believe we should drain America first then even if it takes government subsidies to do it?” That seems to put it into a perspective easier for the “patriots” to understand.
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