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Peak Oil was July 2006 (so far)

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Was 2006 the year of worldwide peak oil production?

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Peak Oil was July 2006 (so far)

Unread postby Bas » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 06:18:32

Listening to the signals coming from Matthew Simmons and having read the threads on the Saudi decline on the oildrum, I've come to the belief that in fact world oil production peaked last year. The fact that much of the world is already in decline and that the declines in Cantarell and the North Sea alone will not be offset by new production coming on-line this year makes the case for 2006 as the peak year stronger. Also (for the few who aren't aware of it) OPEC has been producing flat out for a couple of years now, so we can't expect anything extra coming from that direction.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby sjn » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 06:27:05

No. Peak Oil was in 2005. 2006 was likely peak liquids. Time will tell. Peak liquids is a joke anyway since increased low/negative EROEI liquids in place of oil will only put further pressure on the remaining oil (and NG). This year will likely be the first year local spot shortages show up in 1st world nations.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Bas » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 06:33:35

As far as I know the total crude production in 2006 was a little higher than in 2005; worldoil.com

But ok, we can argue long or short about what really makes up crude production but just let's go with the generally accepted number of 84-85 mb/d
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby killJOY » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 07:13:03

I'm pretty sure the peak of crude&condensate was May 05. Check out Deffeyes' page for more:

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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Bas » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 07:28:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'I')'m pretty sure the peak of crude&condensate was May 05. Check out Deffeyes' page for more:

Hubbert Peak


well, I'd agree the peak month was in 2005, though as a whole year, 2006 saw slightly more production than 2005.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby dhfenton » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 08:04:20

I think its very hard to make a case for peak production at any point to date when demand has been adequately met at what are still fairly reasonable prices being maintained on the world market. The fact that someone didn't produce any specific level of oil when more production would have caused a drop in the price per barrel is not indicative of peak oil. The peak will only be evident when increased demand will not be met by ramped up production. This is when we enter the plateau of production that will exist for a while before the production begins to decline. At that point we will begin to enter an upward spiral of price increases. Producers of oil are not stupid, they know they have a finite supply of easily extractable oil, and they are not going to blow their future revenue stream by over producing now. The only effect of that would be lower prices for thier commodity. They will preserve their commodity as much as practical, and wait to get higher revenues later. I think the Suadis in particular have learned the lesson of over producing a well, and they are trying to let those wells recover as much as possible. I know the "Peak" is like Christmas to some folks, and its just got to get here TODAY; but I really don't think we've seen any real evidence of a peak yet.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Bas » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 08:23:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')hey know they have a finite supply of easily extractable oil, and they are not going to blow their future revenue stream by over producing now.


This mostly reminds me of 1973 (though I wasn't even born yet back then), OPEC is producing flat out and pretty much has since the summer of 2004. If you were referring to overproduction that might damage fields, then I'd have to agree with you though I don't know how big a factor that is in relation to how much could be produced extra if producers would take that risk (my guess is not a lot though)

What is true is that we'll only see the peak in the rearview mirror and I think that's what more and more people, at least here on the forum, are seeing now.

Also we're on the gentle curve right now (or plateau as you say; I prefer to call it the gentle curve) as you rightly point out and real economic problems will only arise when production starts to decline in more significant numbers and the disparity between supply and demand will explode (and that might be as soon as this summer).
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Bas » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 12:15:21

this poll is really neck and neck so far, still 2006 seems to lead.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby MonteQuest » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 12:29:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'I')'m pretty sure the peak of crude&condensate was May 05. Check out Deffeyes' page for more:

Hubbert Peak


As of Feb 2007: July 2006 for all liquids. May 2005 for Crude & condensate.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')xecutive Summary:
Monthly production records are unchanged:
All Liquids: the peak is still July 2006 at 85.47 mbpd, the year to date average production in 2006 (11 months) is 84.59 mbpd, up 0.01 mbpd from 2005.

Crude Oil + NGL: the peak date remains May 2005 at 82.08 mbpd, the year to date average production for 2006 (11 months) is 81.40 mbpd, down 0.03 mbpd from 2005 (11 months).

Crude Oil + Condensate: the peak date remains May 2005 at 74.15 mbpd, the year to date average production for 2006 (11 months) is 73.48 mbpd, down 0.09 mbpd from 2005 (11 months).

NGPL: the peak date remains February 2005 at 8.05 mbpd, the year to date average production for 2006 (11 months) is 7.92 mbpd, up 0.06 mbpd from 2005 (11 months).

No major revisions on the previous monthly estimates in this month release. Weak growth continues: November 2006 estimate for crude oil + condensate is 73.41 mbpd compared to 74.11 mbpd one year ago.


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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby MD » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 12:29:59

Especially given the GAO report.

Surely I'm not the only one who considers this a simple warning shot for what we are going to begin to experience this summer?

Is there not precedent for policy shift warnings to be tested/softly-introduced through non-primary agencies?

Confirmations for 2006 peak continue to dribble in.

Refutations grow weaker by the day.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Coolman » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 12:54:12

It is just one of those things were we will just have to wait and see.

But, I do think the possibility of a 2006 peak is becoming more likely. We have been extraction pretty much flat since mid 2004 even in the face of huge demand and prices.

And now the Sudia Arabian King wants Bush out of Iraq.....hmmmm....

Russia should be hitting their second peak soon too.
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Unread postby billp » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 14:15:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his mostly reminds me of 1973 (though I wasn't even born yet back then)


I was on sabbatical leave with the computer science department at the university of illinois at urbana-champaign in 1972-3.

Gas went from about $.25-.30 to about $.79. Shortages on the east coast.

I was in albuquerque working for sandia labs in 1980 when the Iraq/Iran was apparently caused gas prices to spike.

There's a possibility of a nasty gas price spike and maybe shortages if Iran is attacked?
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Bas » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 14:47:25

1973 was ofcourse a good example of a supply shock; no such thing going on yet, just a geeentle curve..

Also 2006 seems to be winning from all the other years in history...
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Pixie » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 15:35:12

You know, month to month production is highly variable. Considering that most of OPEC is a black box and we can't see WHY they do the things they do, month to month variation should be treated as random noise with something of an annual cycle--like the weather.

If ANNUAL production goes down in 2007 compared to 2006, I will be inclined to feel like we have some real evidence that we are past peak oil/liquids/oil+condensates/whatever.

Alternatively, if Stuart Staniford (the Oil Drum) or someone else with access to EIS/IEA data could do a graph of 12-month running averages, that would take most of the random noise out of the signal.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 16:14:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')specially given the GAO report.


I say 2040? :grin:
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Bas » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 19:42:13

looks like 2/3rds for 2006...
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coal may have problems too

Unread postby billp » Fri 30 Mar 2007, 20:35:06

Coal may have problems too.

And so may Brzezinski and Carter.

We are on the move to possibly peaceful settlement.

Let's all hope.

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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Bas » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 19:40:53

bumb and vote some more
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby joewp » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 22:50:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dhfenton', 'I') think its very hard to make a case for peak production at any point to date when demand has been adequately met at what are still fairly reasonable prices being maintained on the world market.


I don't know why people keep saying stuff like this. That the price has risen shows that demand isn't being met. If demand was being met, we'd still have $5-$10/bbl oil. There's plenty of poor people around the world, even in western countries, who have had to cut back on their use at these prices.

By the way, I voted yes. It does seem that C&C has peaked. Was it 2005 or 2006? Does it matter that much? :shock:
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby DantesPeak » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 23:06:00

Light sweet oil peaked in 2005 (which I have been saying, oh, since the end of 2005). C & C in 2007 may possibly exceed 2006 by a very small amount. I would guess that C & C 2007 for the first quarter is slightly ahead of the comparable quarter a year ago. I think the second quarter also may be slightly ahead. The third quarter is where 2007 we will fall behind 2006, and the fourth quarter looks now to be about the same as 2006.

So in sum, C & C will peak around mid-2007 (on a quartely basis compared to the prior year), most likely forever – although I can't say if total C & C in 2007 will exceed 2006 or not. It will be close.

Meanwhile, since demand as far as I can tell is rising 2 million bpd, supply and demand will get further and further out of balance. Keep in mind that supply and demand can stay out of balance for a while as inventories are run down. When inventories can't be run down any more, that's when the oil bidding war really begins.
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