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Peak Oil was July 2006 (so far)

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Was 2006 the year of worldwide peak oil production?

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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Bas » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 19:51:29

still worth some more votes
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby skyemoor » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 00:07:29

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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 20:12:54

I saw Dr. Deffeyes speak here in Alaska in late 2005. He said then that he thought the peak had just passed. I didn't take him seriously then, but I do now.

About 2005-6 for PO seems about right, given the huge jump in prices that occurred and the surprisingly rapid collapse of the Mexico Supergiant "Calderon" oil field, one of the 10 largest on earth.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 16:53:58

Ooops. Sorry....Cantarell is the giant oilfield in Mexico that has gone into a rapid production decline.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-p ... 1907.story

Now Mexico is definitely past their production peak.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby AFO » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 17:50:22

Why are you guys limiting peak oil to a specific year.

I really think peal oil should be measured based on mutiples of 5% depletion levels. In other words instead of 1 year as unit, 5% depletion rate should be the unit of measurement for peak oil.

Once we reach to 10% depletion level from the peak production, then we can conclude that peak has occured.

Can someone do a graph based on these criterias.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Twilight » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 18:48:17

While peak oil can only be verified retrospectively, it can indeed be tied to a specific year. In fact, to a specific month within a specific year. The conclusion of an increasing number of observers is that 2006 will turn out to be the year the world peaked. We should be 10% down in production within 5 years, however, it will be pretty obvious a lot earlier than that. Probably by 2010 or so, when the decline trend reveals itself and predictions can be based on projects entering production. At that stage the focus will shift from estimating peak, to calculating production decline rates, later to actual energy yield.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby lady-t » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 16:10:23

i voted no because i think it really happened in 2005, later in the year, we just didn't see bad things til 06
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Bas » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 17:55:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lady-t', 'i') voted no because i think it really happened in 2005, later in the year, we just didn't see bad things til 06


I don't think I've really seen any bad things so far, being in europe the economic growth last year was bigger than in previous years and I think some projections say it will be even higher this year, though I doubt that will materialize if prices will go over a hundred $ this summer.

I still think 2006 was the year of global peak oil production, unless somebody shows me numbers from a reliable source that say 2006 as a whole produced (however minute) less than the whole of 2005. Also, since the whole of 2006 produced only slightly more oil than 2005, you could say the peak was in 2005/2006 or maybe in 2005/06/07 for that matter.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Newsseeker » Fri 20 Apr 2007, 10:09:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lady-t', 'i') voted no because i think it really happened in 2005, later in the year, we just didn't see bad things til 06


I agree. However, I vote "yes" because 2006 was the first full year of peak oil.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby sjn » Fri 20 Apr 2007, 11:05:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newsseeker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lady-t', 'i') voted no because i think it really happened in 2005, later in the year, we just didn't see bad things til 06


I agree. However, I vote "yes" because 2006 was the first full year of peak oil.

Same here. I'm sticking with 2005 for monthly peak though. 2005 and 2006 yearly production was too close to call really. No way was the difference beyond reasonable error.
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I trust Bakhtiari, so I voted yes for 2006

Unread postby lexicon » Mon 23 Apr 2007, 20:00:52

The Century of Roots
A.M Samsam Bakhtiari, website
...I seriously believe that the peaking of the global production of crude oil --- commonly know as 'Peak Oil' --- has occurred in 2006 [1] and will be 'The Event' bound to dominate the history of the 21st century: one of those 'Historical Inflection Points' [2] which abruptly change "fundamentals" in the course of World History...

After some 147 years of almost uninterrupted supply growth to a record output of some 81-82 million barrels/day [mb/d] in the summer of 2006, crude oil production has since entered its irreversible decline. This exceptional reversal alters the energy supply equation upon which life on our planet is based. It will come to place pressure upon the use of all other sources of energy --- be it natural gas, coal, nuclear power, and all types of sundry renewables especially biofuels. It will eventually come to affect everything else under the sun…

...most probably, the popular masses will be directly exposed to two main types of shock:
1. A Material Shock;
2. A Psychological Shock.

Due to the benign decline gradient in crude oil production during the early 'Post Peak' period --- only 3 mb/d over the first transition period spanning 2007 to 2010 --- the Material Shock will not pose insoluble problems and accommodation will prove possible with minimal gradual pain. Moreover, sizeable amounts of wastage in most developed societies will provide a welcome cushion for the initial cuts to be made.

Not so for the Psychological Shock. This shock, in stark contrast, will be electric and abrupt. Stress, fear, depression, despairs and nightmares will be the order of the day --- as people come to face the not-so-palatable facets of 'Post Peak'. When confronted with this series of unknowns, with the trauma of Change, people will try to protect themselves by automatically reverting to their past, to the known, to what they believe to be "real and true" --- in a word, to their reassuring 'Roots'…

more...

http://www.energybulletin.net/28895.html
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Re: I trust Bakhtiari, so I voted yes for 2006

Unread postby Fredrik » Tue 24 Apr 2007, 03:59:22

So mr. Bakhtiari says:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lexicon', ' ')Due to the benign decline gradient in crude oil production during the early 'Post Peak' period --- only 3 mb/d over the first transition period spanning 2007 to 2010 --- the Material Shock will not pose insoluble problems and accommodation will prove possible with minimal gradual pain.


I won’t challenge Bakhtiari’s expertise in any way, but “minimal gradual pain” leaves me wondering how deeply he has pondered the devastation that a constantly declining energy supply will cause in a world whose functioning is dependent on constantly growing supply.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lexicon', ' ')Moreover, sizeable amounts of wastage in most developed societies will provide a welcome cushion for the initial cuts to be made.


True, but eventually those cuts will cost us our economy, and the comforts that depend on the economy.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lexicon', 'N')ot so for the Psychological Shock. This shock, in stark contrast, will be electric and abrupt. Stress, fear, depression, despairs and nightmares will be the order of the day --- as people come to face the not-so-palatable facets of 'Post Peak'. When confronted with this series of unknowns, with the trauma of Change, people will try to protect themselves by automatically reverting to their past, to the known, to what they believe to be "real and true" --- in a word, to their reassuring 'Roots'…


I see the future in similar terms. I’ll read the rest with great interest.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby 27010 » Wed 25 Apr 2007, 15:30:25

I didn't vote at all as this whole poll is completely pointless.

World oil will peak at some point, be it in the past, now, or in the future.

Voting for a date wont change that, its just pointless rubbish.
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Re: I trust Bakhtiari, so I voted yes for 2006

Unread postby lexicon » Thu 26 Apr 2007, 18:32:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fredrik', 'S')o mr. Bakhtiari says:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lexicon', ' ')Due to the benign decline gradient in crude oil production during the early 'Post Peak' period --- only 3 mb/d over the first transition period spanning 2007 to 2010 --- the Material Shock will not pose insoluble problems and accommodation will prove possible with minimal gradual pain.


I won’t challenge Bakhtiari’s expertise in any way, but “minimal gradual pain” leaves me wondering how deeply he has pondered the devastation that a constantly declining energy supply will cause in a world whose functioning is dependent on constantly growing supply.

Hey Fredrik, hope you liked the rest. Here's more on Bakhtiari's most recent analysis from Whiskey & Gunpowder:

Four Phases of Decline

Dr. Bakhtiari views the future of worldwide oil extraction in terms of four phases of transition, or, as he puts it, T1, T2, T3, and T4. I described these four phases in greater detail in an article entitled "Peak Oil and Bakhtiari's 4 Phases of Transition."

In an e-mail to me that explained and amplified his views, Bakhtiari stated:

"The four transition periods (T1, T2, T3, and T4) will roughly span the 2006-2020 era. Each transition [will] cover, on average, three-four years...[T]he only transition we can see rather clearly (or rather, we hope to be able to comprehend) is T1. It is clear that T1 will witness the tilting of the 'oil demand' and 'oil supply' scales -- with the former dominant at the onset and the latter commanding toward the close (say, by 2009 or 2010)."

That is, Bakhtiari's view of T1 is that worldwide oil supplies will remain almost constant during this initial phase. New discoveries and production that is now coming on line will just about compensate for the production that is lost due to depletion. But T2, T3, and T4 will be, as Bakhtiari puts it, "more turbulent phases."

http://www.energybulletin.net/29162.html

Not that our society isn't suffering enough already and won't continue to suffer between now and 2010, but I think what Bakhtiari is saying is that compared to what we will experience from 2010 to 2020, our pain right now is minimal.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby DesertBear2 » Thu 26 Apr 2007, 19:01:18

I wouldn't worry about the psychological shock.

Boobus Americanus will rationalize even the highest energy prices. It will be widely promoted by Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the right wing chorus that it is only temporary and cause by a bunch of liberals.

Then they will give the Amercan masses a few figures to focus their hatred on(Hillary?)- just like they have been trained to do by the talk radio crowd.

Eventually the truth will sink in....
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby LateGreatPlanetEarth » Tue 08 May 2007, 01:35:26

i would say that the expert mean avg is year 2010, and that's my prediction.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Mircea » Tue 08 May 2007, 12:09:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')specially given the GAO report.


I say 2040? :grin:


Aren't we optimistic? I must say I'm a little stymied myself. It seems everyone is using a different definition of PO.

The definition I use is 4 continuous months where world demand exceeds world production, absent any anomalies, and from that point on, world production never meets world demand.

Figure about 2030 +/- 5 years.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Revi » Tue 08 May 2007, 14:36:11

Here's a very dark, but what may be a good estimate of when TSHTF in Life After the Oil Crash:

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/BreakingNews.html
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby Twilight » Wed 09 May 2007, 14:02:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mircea', 'T')he definition I use is 4 continuous months where world demand exceeds world production, absent any anomalies, and from that point on, world production never meets world demand.

Figure about 2030 +/- 5 years.

Then you are in for a disappointiment.
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Re: Peak Oil was in 2006

Unread postby MonteQuest » Thu 10 May 2007, 13:01:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mircea', ' ')The definition I use is 4 continuous months where world demand exceeds world production, absent any anomalies, and from that point on, world production never meets world demand.


Ah, but here is where we miss the point. In a free market, the argument is always made that demand will always meet supply.

But will supply always meet need?

World demand may very well never exceed supply, but just because you cannot afford something, doesn't mean you don't need or demand it.

Some will just be priced out of the the oil game, and their inability to access the energy they need will free up energy for those who can still afford it.

When it trickles up to a shortage at any price, then we are well down the decline slope.
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