[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'y')es lets feel for all thsoe 3rd worlders. Soon it will be you. Coming to a town near you. Yes I totally agree with jdmartin. if we changed our paradigm 50 years ago Id be totally into the collectivist mindset. I love collectivism and utilitarianism. However I have lost faith in fellow humans. Any opportunity they will take what is yours. There are opportunities out there. I will never except supporting others I dont know or care about. and that could care less if i am dead. Hell with them all. die off now please. One less carcass on the heap. sorry but im preparing people for the new age thats coming. Feelings will be hurt. people will die. Unless you toughen up and get off dependency as much as possible your going to have a major hard time. This is true compassion. Just like with the immigration thing. The pro illegal folks love to see all the bodies dropping and murders and misery associated with it. If they truly cared they would stop it all and make them fix their own country. Just as an another example of the sheer weirdness and self suicide that resides in our borders. Love to live. Live to love please.

[NEOPO]

So this is what results from allowing PMS to be your big brother...

You are one of the people who realize you are being mindfuct and you like it so you go about doing it to other people.
Real compassion he says muahahahah thats hilarious.
Redefine some more words for us oh wise one....

Yeah dont send food please just stop polluting the air (global dimming) which causes drought and then of course famine in places like africa...
Still feel like helping...Send them heirloom seeds, books by rodale and maybe some cow shit thanks...

Hey I have an idea - dont do anything - spend time whining about some guy whining about having to work for the unsustainable MAN
Yeah thats the ticket!

No wait hahah tell us how you are non dependent on the system please?
shhh this shoudl be good....
<grabs popcorn>

[Zardoz]

Basil_hayden posted this in the "PO Slavery" thread. It applies here quite nicely:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'ve talked with industrial capitalist types with deep pockets who started out with nothing - the problem as they see it is pure laziness. People are not willing to work. The "poor" seek the entitlements and the "rich" day trade their way into uselessness. No value is provided, none whatsoever.

Me personally, I like to, want to, need to, work for what I have. The two groups mentioned above disgust me. I'm guessing it's a normal middle class perspective. Maybe not and I'm just a glutton for punishment.

For example, a few weeks ago I was speaking about stuff with a 21 y.o. male who had left Connecticut for Florida last August to find work. He's a carpenter/contractor. So he spent about six months down there, and you'd think there would be plenty of jobs to find down there with all the hurricane roofing work and whatever.

He said he couldn't find anything permanent, and then stated there was no way he was going to "work like a Mexican" (his words not mine, no prejudice intended, I totally respect any working person) as they walked 20 miles a day to and from work for low wages. I told this young man that he was right, he didn't have to work like a Mexican. He had to work two or three times as hard as a Mexican to get what he wanted, because what he wanted was probably so much more than any immigrant would want, immigrants just want to survive in comparison to the average young American male. The immigrant wants a car, the young American male wants a sports car or new pickup, for example.

The result of this conversation was that I was completely dumbfounded that a strapping 21-year old male would rather collect a check than forge his own way in the world. I just don't get it. He's in jail now for swiping $10K from his ex-girlfriend I believe, LOL. ...Sometimes the story's end is fitting and justice is served. I hope Bubba never gets done with him.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'W')e can condemn others by projecting our own self admonishing conclusions onto them.

...Give them a break, by giving yourself one.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'W')e can condemn others by projecting our own self admonishing conclusions onto them.

...Give them a break, by giving yourself one.

[jdmartin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')Good pay, my ass. And is the job located somewhere where the lucky employee won't need a car?

There is no shortage of labour, there is a shortage of jobs that have any kind of future that pay much more than minimum wage.

[jdmartin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')I'm assuming that hating work is based on what you're doing for work. I've worked for myself and worked for other people, doing the same type of job, but for less than a quarter the wage. I hated working for other people--simply because they didn't pay me enough to survive on and the job went nowhere.

That was 25 years ago. Interestingly, this is exactly how the labour force is being divided up right now. You are either a business owner and you ride people, or you are ridden. There is no upward mobility, the rungs on the ladder to the middle class have either been removed or weren't there to begin with, as in most service sector jobs.

It's demoralizing to suggest people compete with illegal aliens. This is simply integrating the ideals of those who achieved power and influence before this dynamic kicked in. Would Basil Hayden like to see a return to the industrial revolution, where children were worked to death, too.

I don't disagree with you, Zardoz, that people have to be willing to work very hard. I also know that after a certain point, your health will break down. That's a given. It's one of the reasons that life expectancy was so short up until a few decades ago. The increase in life expectancy is directly correlated with the govt. stepping in and regulating working hours, and the growth of labour unions, together with modern hygiene.

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[threadbear]

Oh, JD Martin--thinks 10.00 per hour, no benefits is a good deal. It depends on where you live, I guess. Where I live 10.00 per hour, full time, and you'll be hitting a food bank, if you need to run a car too.

What in the name of God are people thinking? Do the math. You can't live on that wage. We've had double digit real inflation for 4 or 5 years now. Ten bucks an hour doesn't cut it.

[Baldwin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'O')h, JD Martin--thinks 10.00 per hour, no benefits is a good deal. It depends on where you live, I guess. Where I live 10.00 per hour, full time, and you'll be hitting a food bank, if you need to run a car too.

What in the name of God are people thinking? Do the math. You can't live on that wage. We've had double digit real inflation for 4 or 5 years now. Ten bucks an hour doesn't cut it.

[FourOfSwords]

Shit! jdmartin,you pay me $10 hr to paint fire hydrants I'll be down to Tennesee so fast it'll make your head spin! I live in Canada, you sponsor me and my family, I'll be the best damn worker you've ever had. You'll never have to look over your shoulder, wondering if the job gets done, hell, I'll paint fire hydrants for the next 15 years till I retire, and then some.
I work p/t washing dishes in a cafeteria for Canadian $8.00 per hour! I work hard, and am worked hard. I'm no 'illegal', I'm educated, and have just fallen on some hard times. Not everyone born in Canada or the U.S. for that matter is shy of work. I know I've got mouths to feed, and family counting on me. Other than probably shovelling pig shit into a cistern, no job is beneath me.
The youth of today are disillusioned, they've been lied to, and most of them are cognizant enough to realize this shit is not for them.
I'm 50, If I was 20, and know what I know now, I'd opt out, no question.
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[jdmartin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'O')h, JD Martin--thinks 10.00 per hour, no benefits is a good deal. It depends on where you live, I guess. Where I live 10.00 per hour, full time, and you'll be hitting a food bank, if you need to run a car too.

What in the name of God are people thinking? Do the math. You can't live on that wage. We've had double digit real inflation for 4 or 5 years now. Ten bucks an hour doesn't cut it.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FourOfSwords', 'S')hit! jdmartin,you pay me $10 hr to paint fire hydrants I'll be down to Tennesee so fast it'll make your head spin! I live in Canada, you sponsor me and my family, I'll be the best damn worker you've ever had. You'll never have to look over your shoulder, wondering if the job gets done, hell, I'll paint fire hydrants for the next 15 years till I retire, and then some.
I work p/t washing dishes in a cafeteria for Canadian $8.00 per hour! I work hard, and am worked hard. I'm no 'illegal', I'm educated, and have just fallen on some hard times. Not everyone born in Canada or the U.S. for that matter is shy of work. I know I've got mouths to feed, and family counting on me. Other than probably shovelling pig shit into a cistern, no job is beneath me.
The youth of today are disillusioned, they've been lied to, and most of them are cognizant enough to realize this shit is not for them.
I'm 50, If I was 20, and know what I know now, I'd opt out, no question.
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[jdmartin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FourOfSwords', 'S')hit! jdmartin,you pay me $10 hr to paint fire hydrants I'll be down to Tennesee so fast it'll make your head spin! I live in Canada, you sponsor me and my family, I'll be the best damn worker you've ever had. You'll never have to look over your shoulder, wondering if the job gets done, hell, I'll paint fire hydrants for the next 15 years till I retire, and then some.
I work p/t washing dishes in a cafeteria for Canadian $8.00 per hour! I work hard, and am worked hard. I'm no 'illegal', I'm educated, and have just fallen on some hard times. Not everyone born in Canada or the U.S. for that matter is shy of work. I know I've got mouths to feed, and family counting on me. Other than probably shovelling pig shit into a cistern, no job is beneath me.
The youth of today are disillusioned, they've been lied to, and most of them are cognizant enough to realize this shit is not for them.
I'm 50, If I was 20, and know what I know now, I'd opt out, no question.
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[I_Like_Plants]

No, not many will want a ballpoint-pen drawing of little Johnny and his swollen belly.... but when *I* was the one with sticklike arms/legs and the swollen belly, art was one of the ways I got some food into the house. (I caught sight of myself in a window and noticed the pipe-stem limbs and big ol' belly and realized I HAD to get more food, and especially more protein if possible, into my life - I worked on my foraging skills and was able to edge back from the brink, nutrtionally. Also worked on the ol' art skills, did what odd jobs I could find, etc.

For a person living in a family situation, a kind of Communism now frowned upon in the US, $10 an hour can work. The "Families" or Communist cells, will all live in one place, sharing expenses. They'll share a car. Or at least if an individual cell member doesn't run a car, they'll take the bus or bike and make that $10 an hour and smile because practicing Communism, sharing in a family unit, that $10 is decent pay.

Example: some Communists I knew, had a house in Huntington Beach. Mortgage was $700 a month or so. With each of the three Communists making min. wage, they could make it and did. They were lucky, their father saw how doomed the non-rich are in Cali and got 'em into that house. They were not perfect Communists and fought and argued and griped a certain amount, but it was holding together last I saw them. Sadly, I fear they have probably gotten tied up in the subprime bubble and I'd probably go back to find my friends gone and a nasty nest of yuppies where they were.

[FourOfSwords]

Threadbear you have a good point. My spouse does work, full time, shitty benefits. When I was single I did earn $10 CDN hr. for nigh on 11 years at the cheapest assed Insurance company this side of the Milky Way. For 4 years (stupid me) I got no pay increase( I was a mail clerk) then one year they offered me .09 of a percent pay raise, WITHOUT A LIE! I was so insulted that I told them to keep the raise, I didn't need it(and they did).
I was part of the working poor, and I knew it. I more importantly knew that 'the system' doesn't work. But I had to live, eat, etc. so I made adjustments. No car, just a bike. No vacations, just watching the sun go down in the park. No dining out, ever, just brown bagging it for 5 of those 11 years eating nothing but peanut butter sandwiches for lunch every day. No going to the movies, just hanging out with friends or riding my bike.
What I'm trying to say here, is adjustments have to be made, you have to be honest with yourself, and you have to have a good attitude about life, even when shit is dealt to you everyday.
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[jdmartin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FourOfSwords', 'T')hreadbear you have a good point. My spouse does work, full time, shitty benefits. When I was single I did earn $10 CDN hr. for nigh on 11 years at the cheapest assed Insurance company this side of the Milky Way. For 4 years (stupid me) I got no pay increase( I was a mail clerk) then one year they offered me .09 of a percent pay raise, WITHOUT A LIE! I was so insulted that I told them to keep the raise, I didn't need it(and they did).
I was part of the working poor, and I knew it. I more importantly knew that 'the system' doesn't work. But I had to live, eat, etc. so I made adjustments. No car, just a bike. No vacations, just watching the sun go down in the park. No dining out, ever, just brown bagging it for 5 of those 11 years eating nothing but peanut butter sandwiches for lunch every day. No going to the movies, just hanging out with friends or riding my bike.
What I'm trying to say here, is adjustments have to be made, you have to be honest with yourself, and you have to have a good attitude about life, even when shit is dealt to you everyday.
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[I_Like_Plants]

If I were paired up with someone and WE worked, sharing this place, sharing "the" car, it would work quite well. If I had say, me and partner in bedroom and friend in living room, which is about the norm for the working poor in Cali, it would work out well indeed.

It is much tougher when you're all on your own, and there's something about 'Merkan "culture" that makes everyone "want their space" and want to be alone, one car, one TV, on apartment or house, per each.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '.')..there's something about 'Merkan "culture" that makes everyone "want their space" and want to be alone, one car, one TV, on apartment or house, per each.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FourOfSwords', 'T')hreadbear you have a good point. My spouse does work, full time, shitty benefits. When I was single I did earn $10 CDN hr. for nigh on 11 years at the cheapest assed Insurance company this side of the Milky Way. For 4 years (stupid me) I got no pay increase( I was a mail clerk) then one year they offered me .09 of a percent pay raise, WITHOUT A LIE! I was so insulted that I told them to keep the raise, I didn't need it(and they did).
I was part of the working poor, and I knew it. I more importantly knew that 'the system' doesn't work. But I had to live, eat, etc. so I made adjustments. No car, just a bike. No vacations, just watching the sun go down in the park. No dining out, ever, just brown bagging it for 5 of those 11 years eating nothing but peanut butter sandwiches for lunch every day. No going to the movies, just hanging out with friends or riding my bike.
What I'm trying to say here, is adjustments have to be made, you have to be honest with yourself, and you have to have a good attitude about life, even when shit is dealt to you everyday.
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