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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby seldom_seen » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 00:56:54

The walls are closing in around us. We are offered all sorts of electronic and pharmaceutical anesthetics as well as low interest loans in the hopes that no one will notice.

Hubbertspeak is just sticking his head up above the crowd and saying 'Whoa somethings fkd up here?"

I read an article in the NYT on the way home about Citibank. It say they're laying off 10,000 people, but goes on to say that they're hiring 200 people a day in India and one of their biggest shareholders is a Saudi prince who is pushing for changes at the bank (i.e. fire the fckrs). Shit is way fckd up. There's big cracks starting to appear in the facade of the ponzi pyramid.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')alk to a bunch of them. Tell them all about your life. Be completely honest. Show them pictures of how you live and tell them what you do every day. Then tell them how shitty you think your life is. Tell them how bored you are. Tell them how much you hate working. See what they say to that. See what they think of you.

blahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...<white liberal guilt alert, seldom plugs his ears>

Everyone of these people that makes it over the border should be required to spend a weekend at Planned Parenthood, learning how to properly use a condom and other birth control methods.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby TheDude » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 01:29:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', 'T')he whole island once was able to feed over 9 million before the potato famine.


Yeah, on little more than potatoes. About the most wretched peasantry in Europe according to some observers. Very contented nevertheless in many ways despite quite brutal oppresion, the power of having a valid culture to live in.
As prosperity increases culture seems to go by the wayside - no one wants to be seen as a hick, no matter where they're coming from. I think culture is critical to survival - look at the importance we attach to it, no matter how stunted or twisted we may find its modern incarnations. Does Kunstler realize how deeply people care about NASCAR? Read about how fanatical the Romans were about chariot racing teams. It's all vehicles going round in a circle to me, but tastes differ. JHK's right that NASCAR's not here to stay, though. What will be? Will someone canonize Jerry Seinfeld?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ow the island is a little under 6 million. Ireland is probably one of the few developed nations that could survive off old fashioned horse-and-plough farming.


How do you hitch horses to a modern combine? Haven't really checked but I assume Ireland's agribusiness is as hydrocarbonized as anyone else's. Certainly some good land there, which won't be up for sale anytime soon I'd bet. Much of the rest fits Cromwell's description of the Burren in Clare: "Not a tree to hang men from, not a stream to drown men in, not a field to bury men in."
The Irish are at the moment quite keen on building their own crappy McMansions. Perhaps they call them O'Mansions.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'I') was being ironic. We have 300,000 Eastern Europeans here in the last 2 years. I for one welcome our Slavic masters.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', 'A')s far as the slavs, have them work for your sheep herds. The intelligence difference between the sheep and poles is not too different (ask the Germans).


At least you're not making Kerryman jokes. Where'd you get that Protocol from?
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 01:45:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'H')ubbert7777 is sharing an apartment with 3 other people. He IS living like a recently immigrated Latino.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '.')..I hate working!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'W')hoa somethings fkd up here
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby threadbear » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 02:09:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'H')ubbert7777 is sharing an apartment with 3 other people. He IS living like a recently immigrated Latino.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '.')..I hate working!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'W')hoa somethings fkd up here


And your point is? Why don't you tell us something about YOUR situation?
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby NEOPO » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 02:27:05

This thread is a headache :(

HOPE

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Change

Hopefully he has cable/dsl.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 10:23:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'H')ubbert7777 is sharing an apartment with 3 other people. He IS living like a recently immigrated Latino.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '.')..I hate working!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'W')hoa somethings fkd up here


And your point is?
He's revealed to us what his real story is. He wants somebody else to take care of him. He's pissed because he's not a trust fund kid. He's annoyed because he faces a "mundane" life of getting up in the morning and going to work, like all the rest of us schmucks. It's really hard to understand why you're defending him.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy don't you tell us something about YOUR situation?

If I'd had a lick of sense about money, I would've retired a long time ago. The fact that I'll be working as long as somebody will employ me is all my fault, and nobody else's. It isn't the fault of our "culture", or our "society". It isn't because I'm being manipulated by The Powers That Be. It isn't because I've been victimized by anybody other than myself.

I couldn't be bothered with thinking ahead when I was young, so I'm paying the price now. That's how it works, doesn't it? I could've done it differently, but I couldn't be bothered. I had other priorities, all of which seem silly and inconsequential now. Like the old saying goes: I made my bed, and now I have to sleep in it.

I'm content enough with this situation because it's all of my own making, and I realize that I have it better than 99% of my fellow naked apes on this planet. The original poster is undoubtedly better off than 98% of the global population simply because he's a native-born American male, but that's not good enough for him, is it? He wants more. He wants to live better than 99.99% of the rest of us. He wants financial independence, and he wants it now, without doing anything for it.

He "hates to work". That's all we need to know about him. All the rest is a smokescreen.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby MacG » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 10:32:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', 'I') just don't give a shit if this pathetic society ends. It's just such bullshit. Here is life in this society summed up: Grow up, go to school, work hard and get good grades, go to college and get good grades so you can get a job so you can do even more work and be a corporate slave, get a raise so you can buy even more useless junk, put up with people's bullshit, get married to a woman who will end up becoming a nasty hag with saggy tits who will bury you in credit card debt, go to church, pray to imaginary friends, pay taxes, vote for dishonest politians based on their insincere promises, get screwed over by the politicians you voted for, have kids that will grow up to hate you, retire, grow old and watch lame-ass sitcom reruns all day and then, you finally die. And it was all for nothing. All that suffering, stress, and hard work for nothing. And people say dying young is a bad thing? I hope I don't make it past 60!

I look forward to dying sometimes, not because I'm depressed, but because of boredom... life is mundane! I don't know if there's an afterlife or not, but sometimes I feel like finding out. Even if there's nothing but non-existance on the other side, it still has to be better than this dogshit we call "reality."

And religion doesn't really help either. Jesus, Allah, Buda, Zeus, Thor, and other deities have no evidence to support their existence, yet every other religious nut is convinced he has all the answers. Scientists have some of the answers, but even they don't really know the hell is going on or why we're here. No one knows. Why can't people just admit they don't know? Is that too much to ask? I guess it is, because humans are know-it-alls. Nobody really cares, as long as they have a mansion and an SUV so they can impress their yuppy neighbors.

Is anyone else slightly bothered by such bullshit? Does anyone else not care if our bullshit way of life ends soon?


Fine with me. Just curl up in fetal position and wait for dehydration to do it's thing with with you. One less to bother about.


That make you feel better, MacG?


Absolutely!
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby lateralus » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 10:42:21

Everybody sing along, someone pipe the music:

All I want for Christmas is a little woe is me, woe is me. All I want for Christmas is a little woe is me, woe is me....
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby Atlantean_Relic » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 10:48:34

Sheesh, what with all the old people here and the "You ungrateful brats should be thankful for what we gave you spiels all of a sudden?" All you seem to be doing is replacing "When I was your age" part with is "Them Mexicans your age don't whine". And there in might be a problem them Mexicans, Indians, and Chinese don't whine. Then again they got no where to go but up, Americans have nowhere to go but down.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby lateralus » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 11:13:57

I can't wait until I get old.

When I'm 40 I'll tell my niece stories about walking 5 miles in the snow to get a bottle of water to cook the KD. Then I'll tell her to stop whining about how fucked up the world is because the boomers wanted to rape el mundo so they could live the good life.

An older friend of mine who fought during the Rhodesian War told me: Keep your pecker hard and your powder dry and the world will still turn.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 12:10:15

This is amazing. The kid wants to be taken care of by somebody else, and not have to support himself, and poster after poster thinks that's just fine.

Wow. This is quite the enlightening little thread, isn't it?
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby lateralus » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 12:13:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'T')his is amazing. The kid wants to be taken care of by somebody else, and not have to support himself, and poster after poster thinks that's just fine.

Wow. This is quite the enlightening little thread, isn't it?


Yes it is.

Hey Zardoz, will you take care of me?
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby threadbear » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 12:30:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'H')ubbert7777 is sharing an apartment with 3 other people. He IS living like a recently immigrated Latino.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '.')..I hate working!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'W')hoa somethings fkd up here


And your point is?
He's revealed to us what his real story is. He wants somebody else to take care of him. He's pissed because he's not a trust fund kid. He's annoyed because he faces a "mundane" life of getting up in the morning and going to work, like all the rest of us schmucks. It's really hard to understand why you're defending him.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy don't you tell us something about YOUR situation?

If I'd had a lick of sense about money, I would've retired a long time ago. The fact that I'll be working as long as somebody will employ me is all my fault, and nobody else's. It isn't the fault of our "culture", or our "society". It isn't because I'm being manipulated by The Powers That Be. It isn't because I've been victimized by anybody other than myself.

I couldn't be bothered with thinking ahead when I was young, so I'm paying the price now. That's how it works, doesn't it? I could've done it differently, but I couldn't be bothered. I had other priorities, all of which seem silly and inconsequential now. Like the old saying goes: I made my bed, and now I have to sleep in it.

I'm content enough with this situation because it's all of my own making, and I realize that I have it better than 99% of my fellow naked apes on this planet. The original poster is undoubtedly better off than 98% of the global population simply because he's a native-born American male, but that's not good enough for him, is it? He wants more. He wants to live better than 99.99% of the rest of us. He wants financial independence, and he wants it now, without doing anything for it.

He "hates to work". That's all we need to know about him. All the rest is a smokescreen.

I would guess you're in your late forties, early fifties? If this is the case, go ahead and self flagellate. You were born into a time when the economy was actually expanding along with the middle class. I would say that you have noone to blame but yourself, as well...except for...

During your youth, though, you probably lived through the oil embargo years, double digit inflation, etc...They were short lived, and everything bounced back and seemed to actually improve. Same with the recession of the early nineties, a kind of bounce back, with the exception of the rust belt. And, of course, the dot com collapse was followed by a constructin boom.

There was a different sense of what was possible in the future, based on the past. We're all victims of our own past experiences. We draw conclusions, that are sometimes unnecessarily tough on ourselves, when we fail to take this into account. We can condemn others by projecting our own self admonishing conclusions onto them.

Kids today (and by kids, I mean anyone under 40) aren't as blessed as we were. On the other hand they don't harbour the same illusions we did about the ongoing nature of economic expansion. Give them a break, by giving yourself one.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby jdmartin » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 13:25:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') would guess you're in your late forties, early fifties? If this is the case, go ahead and self flagellate. You were born into a time when the economy was actually expanding along with the middle class. I would say that you have noone to blame but yourself, as well...except for...

During your youth, though, you probably lived through the oil embargo years, double digit inflation, etc...They were short lived, and everything bounced back and seemed to actually improve. Same with the recession of the early nineties, a kind of bounce back, with the exception of the rust belt. And, of course, the dot com collapse was followed by a constructin boom.

There was a different sense of what was possible in the future, based on the past. We're all victims of our own past experiences. We draw conclusions, that are sometimes unnecessarily tough on ourselves, when we fail to take this into account. We can condemn others by projecting our own self admonishing conclusions onto them.

Kids today (and by kids, I mean anyone under 40) aren't as blessed as we were. On the other hand they don't harbour the same illusions we did about the ongoing nature of economic expansion. Give them a break, by giving yourself one.


Economic expansion or lack thereof has nothing to do with it. If one chooses to, today, there are any number of hundreds of organizations looking for people willing to volunteer of themselves in order to accomplish something. This can range from everything from a couple hours a week/month to something that you do full-time for a year or more. If you don't want to be part of the consumeristic society, there are a million ways out. No one is forcing anyone to be.

As I see it, the problem for today's youth is not that there are far more economic challenges (though there are); the problem is that the boomers have raised an "entitlement" generation that honestly believe that it is the job of someone else to provide for them. Working for something? Anything? That's someone else's job. Generation Waahh sees their role as playing Playstation 3 all day and bitching about the lack of opportunities out there.

10 years ago all the jobs in my field were drying up. Not wanting to geographically relocate, I decided that I better learn another field if I wanted to remain here. I went to college, on my own loans and money from working, while supporting a family. I earned a Bachelor and then a Masters degree. It took me 6 years to do this. Today I earn a reasonably good living as a municipal executive, a job I only could have got by getting up off my ass and doing something about it, rather than crying in my soup that all the jobs in my field had gone away and what was I to do.

Now I did this because I wanted to maintain what I considered a good standard of living. But my definition might be different than someone else's. For me, having a dependable car, electricity, and stability is important. But I'm older and I'm married. When I was younger, those things weren't as important to me, so I was able to do different things. I joined the Navy and saw the world.

The whole point is that the world owes no one a living. If we were back in caveman times, you'd either work your ass off or you would die, plain and simple. I don't deny that economic conditions generally suck, but "suck" is a relative term when you're comparing the US and the rest of the Western World to places like Chad.

Final thought: At my last job (city manager of a small town), I was on a county economic task force. We conducted a survey and interviews of most of the businesses, corporate and private owned, large and small, in the county. We wanted to find out what areas we might be able to help them in. Almost without exception, the number one problem listed by every business was the labor force's lack of basic skills. Not just reading and writing, either. The comments we got back and the managers we interviewed told us: candidates & employees don't know how to dress, speak properly, treat their co-workers with respect, act in an honest manner, etc. Basic life skills. We were also told that, overwhelmingly, younger employees that came in for a job, with no experience, expected to be in supervisory/managerial slots either immediately or within ridiculously short time periods. There were plenty of starter jobs at these businesses, but no one wanted them - they all wanted to be the manager.

Along those lines, for the past 2 years I have advertised a part-time job at my organization. Good pay for part-time work; no benefits, but completely flexible work schedule, no weekends, no evenings, outside work in good weather. Easy, non-supervised work. Both years I had a hell of a time filling the position. The first year, the guy I ended up hiring got the job by default because 2 other interviewee's were no-shows/no phones. The guy lasted a couple of months, then just quit showing up when the weather got a little colder (low 50's/upper 40's), and put in for unemployment claiming we laid him off. Last year, the guy I hired was a good worker. He was so good that I offered him a full-time slot that opened up, but he wasn't interested. It was going to be more working than he wanted to do. So be it; that's how he liked his life set up, and I have no problem with that. But the opportunities do exist if you want them.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby lateralus » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 13:56:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')Kids today (and by kids, I mean anyone under 40) aren't as blessed as we were. On the other hand they don't harbour the same illusions we did about the ongoing nature of economic expansion. Give them a break, by giving yourself one.


True threadbear.

We, people under the age of 40, don't believe the bullshit anymore. The fact that we are pissed off is an understatement. Save the crap for grandma, she still believes the lines that she is supposed to read to tow the party line. We don't.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby threadbear » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 13:56:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') would guess you're in your late forties, early fifties? If this is the case, go ahead and self flagellate. You were born into a time when the economy was actually expanding along with the middle class. I would say that you have noone to blame but yourself, as well...except for...

During your youth, though, you probably lived through the oil embargo years, double digit inflation, etc...They were short lived, and everything bounced back and seemed to actually improve. Same with the recession of the early nineties, a kind of bounce back, with the exception of the rust belt. And, of course, the dot com collapse was followed by a constructin boom.

There was a different sense of what was possible in the future, based on the past. We're all victims of our own past experiences. We draw conclusions, that are sometimes unnecessarily tough on ourselves, when we fail to take this into account. We can condemn others by projecting our own self admonishing conclusions onto them.

Kids today (and by kids, I mean anyone under 40) aren't as blessed as we were. On the other hand they don't harbour the same illusions we did about the ongoing nature of economic expansion. Give them a break, by giving yourself one.



Along those lines, for the past 2 years I have advertised a part-time job at my organization. Good pay for part-time work; no benefits, .


Good pay, my ass. And is the job located somewhere where the lucky employee won't need a car?

There is no shortage of labour, there is a shortage of jobs that have any kind of future that pay much more than minimum wage.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby holmes » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 13:59:06

Dieoff is the best option for all the ones hanging on the tit of welfare. Dont ya know its becuase so many people are in the shit-stem. Of course its all going to suck when you have a feeding frenzy and breeding rates of that of a rabbit or mouse. get with the program and deal with it. More and more people have to work more hours to pay the taxes and for those that are working less and less. Its freaking logical. Heck I am going to go become an illegal work 5 months a year and collect welfare and breed en mas with no worries. Who ya think is paying for the masses and the beurocrats and the elites foo foo lifstyle and their slaves? educated workers predominately. Yes it will get more sucky. Just wait when 50% of your check is taken it sure will. Youll be working MORE and getting paid less and getting more stolen from you! Its awesome right now if you think about. Give it 10 years. hahahahahahahahaha! shmucks got ponzied!
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby threadbear » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 14:02:29

JD Martin---Holmes agrees with you. I rest my case.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby holmes » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 14:04:44

And i just have to laugh at these "poor and downtrodden" spoiled Fellow citizens who support more immigration and the one world love in policies. You know the guilt shaming ones? They are already poor or heading that way and they think the great social experiment is going to even us all out. LOL! Your going to be destitute and starving as all your love partners are robbing what little you have. remember we are that close to survival times. Buwahhhhhhahaha! They will be the ones that get wiped off the earth. Oh the humanity. Oil is god for sure. Its painfully obvious.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't care anymore?

Unread postby holmes » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 14:12:01

yes lets feel for all thsoe 3rd worlders. Soon it will be you. Coming to a town near you. Yes I totally agree with jdmartin. if we changed our paradigm 50 years ago Id be totally into the collectivist mindset. I love collectivism and utilitarianism. However I have lost faith in fellow humans. Any opportunity they will take what is yours. There are opportunities out there. I will never except supporting others I dont know or care about. and that could care less if i am dead. Hell with them all. die off now please. One less carcass on the heap. sorry but im preparing people for the new age thats coming. Feelings will be hurt. people will die. Unless you toughen up and get off dependency as much as possible your going to have a major hard time. This is true compassion. Just like with the immigration thing. The pro illegal folks love to see all the bodies dropping and murders and misery associated with it. If they truly cared they would stop it all and make them fix their own country. Just as an another example of the sheer weirdness and self suicide that resides in our borders. Love to live. Live to love please.
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