Is it today's violent youth culture?
A difference in regional attitudes?
Same as it ever was?
I just don't get it...
What I really don't understand are the other patrons in this video just standing there doing nothing.
Do this in front of me... & I'll kill you right then. No hesitation. No discussion.
What's wrong with these people?
We are in big trouble folks.
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A Culture of Violence
A Culture of Violence
by Aaron » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 10:26:56
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.
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Re: A Culture of Violence
by dinopello » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 10:36:34
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I')s it today's violent youth culture?
A difference in regional attitudes?
Same as it ever was?
A difference in regional attitudes?
Same as it ever was?
Yes
Yes
Yes
I just hope they play this video for fat-boy's cell mates.
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Re: A Culture of Violence
by smallpoxgirl » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 10:59:58
I Hawkman getting soft on us? 
Personally, I think that the problem is that our society has become so wussified that we've taken away the acceptable outlets for violence. Because the socially acceptable outlets for violence have become so limited, it ends up spilling over in ways like this that are clearly unacceptable. This guy should be sentenced to cage fight the biggest meanest dudes in Chicago for 8 hours a day for the next 3 months.
Personally, I think that the problem is that our society has become so wussified that we've taken away the acceptable outlets for violence. Because the socially acceptable outlets for violence have become so limited, it ends up spilling over in ways like this that are clearly unacceptable. This guy should be sentenced to cage fight the biggest meanest dudes in Chicago for 8 hours a day for the next 3 months.
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Re: A Culture of Violence
by Aaron » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 11:03:48
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') Hawkman getting soft on us?
I said I'd kill him...
I just don't understand why none of those wimps standing there didn't.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.
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Re: A Culture of Violence
by Kingcoal » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 11:08:08
I think the video is a good example of the state of mind of our founding fathers when they formed the constitution. They gave us, the people, freedoms because of abuses of power like this.
Aaron asks why the others were standing around watching it? I think that's probably simple to answer; he's a cop and probably has a nasty reputation. He was probably a regular and well known. I wouldn't doubt that if someone interjected themselves into the assault in defense of the bartender (I would have, I don’t care who they are), the incident probably would have been spun by the police into a bar room brawl which the officer was simply trying to quell. I believe they said that he was originally charged with misdemeanor assault, which is nothing more than a slap on the wrist. Unfortunately for the police department, they had security cameras.
Aaron asks why the others were standing around watching it? I think that's probably simple to answer; he's a cop and probably has a nasty reputation. He was probably a regular and well known. I wouldn't doubt that if someone interjected themselves into the assault in defense of the bartender (I would have, I don’t care who they are), the incident probably would have been spun by the police into a bar room brawl which the officer was simply trying to quell. I believe they said that he was originally charged with misdemeanor assault, which is nothing more than a slap on the wrist. Unfortunately for the police department, they had security cameras.
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Re: A Culture of Violence
by Eli » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 11:18:10
This particular case seems to be for different reasons than you listed.
I have know a lot of cops many of them are really nice guys who are just doing their job but there is also a few that are attracted to the job for the wrong reason. This looks like it might be the case here.
There is certain personality type that can be very dangerous when it puts on a uniform. These are the overly aggressive a-holes that were always causing trouble in high school. They are the guys who get off on the power they have.
Aaron I hear you about letting the guy have it but you had better be packing if you were to jump in on this situation, because more likely than not this guy is. Hitting this guy over the head with a beer bottle would likely get you killed.
Even if you did have a pistol and drew down on him he still is more likely to kill you. "it is a hell of a thing to kill a man" this thought and your own respect for human life would get you killed.
I have know a lot of cops many of them are really nice guys who are just doing their job but there is also a few that are attracted to the job for the wrong reason. This looks like it might be the case here.
There is certain personality type that can be very dangerous when it puts on a uniform. These are the overly aggressive a-holes that were always causing trouble in high school. They are the guys who get off on the power they have.
Aaron I hear you about letting the guy have it but you had better be packing if you were to jump in on this situation, because more likely than not this guy is. Hitting this guy over the head with a beer bottle would likely get you killed.
Even if you did have a pistol and drew down on him he still is more likely to kill you. "it is a hell of a thing to kill a man" this thought and your own respect for human life would get you killed.
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Re: A Culture of Violence
by dinopello » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 11:19:14
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') Hawkman getting soft on us?
Personally, I think that the problem is that our society has become so wussified that we've taken away the acceptable outlets for violence. Because the socially acceptable outlets for violence have become so limited, it ends up spilling over in ways like this that are clearly unacceptable. This guy should be sentenced to cage fight the biggest meanest dudes in Chicago for 8 hours a day for the next 3 months.
Personally, I think that the problem is that our society has become so wussified that we've taken away the acceptable outlets for violence. Because the socially acceptable outlets for violence have become so limited, it ends up spilling over in ways like this that are clearly unacceptable. This guy should be sentenced to cage fight the biggest meanest dudes in Chicago for 8 hours a day for the next 3 months.
That sounds right, even Leave it to Beaver had the occasional school fight. But that was between boys. My dad tought me never to hit girls, never. Do you think that is a good rule ? I think it is a good thing, but I'm old fashioned that way. I do suppose there are exceptions.
But yea, everything is more wussified. I watched Holyfield fight this guy this saturday
Holyfield Comeback
It was an amazing display of technical prowess from the 44 yo Holyfield as he pummeled this guy's bloody face. But, the guy must have no brain or something because he kept coming back at Holyfield even though his head was getting snapped back like one of those balloons on a rubber band. Anyway, they stopped the fight - can't have his pea-brain turned to mush or anything.
Oh, in addition to playing this video for fat-boy's cell mates, they should make it be known that he is a cop. then, turn out the lights and leave them alone for a while.
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Re: A Culture of Violence
by holmes » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 11:48:27
if you shot him and killed him you would be thrown in prison for a long time. We can not even defend ourselves anymore.
we are fucked. especially high density human pop areas. It will be carnage when the oil runs low.
we are fucked. especially high density human pop areas. It will be carnage when the oil runs low.
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Re: A Culture of Violence
by MD » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 11:49:58
This man faces a very dark and well-earned future.
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.
Just think it through.
It's not hard to do.
Just think it through.
It's not hard to do.
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Re: A Culture of Violence
by MD » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 11:57:45
We have destroyed ourselves.
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.
Just think it through.
It's not hard to do.
Just think it through.
It's not hard to do.
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Re: A Culture of Violence
by Aaron » Wed 21 Mar 2007, 12:00:45
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')aron I hear you about letting the guy have it but you had better be packing if you were to jump in on this situation, because more likely than not this guy is. Hitting this guy over the head with a beer bottle would likely get you killed.
Even if you did have a pistol and drew down on him he still is more likely to kill you. "it is a hell of a thing to kill a man" this thought and your own respect for human life would get you killed.
Even if you did have a pistol and drew down on him he still is more likely to kill you. "it is a hell of a thing to kill a man" this thought and your own respect for human life would get you killed.
A grown man beating a small woman.
If you don't stop when I tell you, then I gotta kill you.
Not a doubt in my mind. That's what's so freaky about the video... maybe it's just a Texas thing.
After 12 years or so of serious hand to hand combat experience I feel confident I can take care of myself. I'm trained & licensed to carry handguns & if you see me, I have a large caliber handgun on my person, period. I'm a life-long hunter, which is traditional in my family, & I don't miss.
Or hesitate.
I'm one of those guys whose good to have around in an emergency.
I don't panic or get scared.
And I will act with little or no hesitation.
But I still can't imagine this happening where I live. It would be more likely that I'd need my pistol to hold off the large group of men who would be kicking the living shit out of this ass hat around here.
Different values I guess.
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