[shakespear1]

An interesting place where this could be easily justified and started would be in the military.

"Hey guys, with this we will know where you are and will be able to help you faster when the bad guy gets you"

[ontic_ideality]

What, when one looks at certain trends in world trade, can see, are elements that are not directly mind control, but indirectly point to evidence that control is something aimed at.

ISO 9000 numbers for manufactured products:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ver 100 countries have adopted the ISO 9000 standards. In 1999, use of the system, which was voluntary, will become mandatory. The government is also setting up TPN (Trading Partner Numbers). While obtaining all these numbers to do business is not directly mind-control; if a person can’t buy or sell without the approved numbers, it does tend to place a person or company under the World Order’s control.

[ontic_ideality]

If anyone is interested, this is the same article about McVeigh, one the raven.net

article:

http://www.raven1.net/kkarticl.htm

I would be fine and dandy if these implants were only done within the military, but, as this article touches on, experiments on unsuspecting Americans is happening.

The article by Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler, deeper insights is quite extensive, and takes a definate ideological direction, hence seeing a structual dimention based on oligarchic/illuminati/satanism within the power structure of the world. Take it or leave it, much of the article can still be digested and have much reality based analysis giving some scary pictures about governemnt and technology.

The McVeigh article may be more palatable, as it is concerning itself with democratic values, in regards to this technology.

The writer, Kathy Kasten, sites the companies involved in this satellite to implant technology very well, citing their websites.

Furthermore, she provides a very good sketch of the history of this technology, in a real matter of fact way.

Whether one sees this technology as being great for personal security, shopping etc. The way it is being used, if you look at the evidence, is unethical, and beyond cruel.

oi

[AWPrime]

Can you present us with one of those chips?

[ontic_ideality]

I had some chips, afforded me in the terror sessions when I was a gang stalking campaign cleverly brought me into the clutches of Alcoholics Anonymous. They, the cult members of this organization that is co-opted by organized stalking campaigns, hand out chips at meetings. I am sorry that I have tossed all the chips given to me, as they brought memory of the psychological and moral harassment I experienced at the meetings, meetings I had no business attending, save for the purpose of being harassed.

Oh, you mean the microchips. There is plenty of evidence, photos from retrieved chips implanted into people. Just do a search on something called the internet.

Implnats here on Bugsweeps webpage:
http://www.bugsweeps.com/info/electroni ... sment.html

As for the other chips, just go to an AA meeting, and you might find it entertaining.

The Illuminati, if one choses to believe in the Grand Plan, uses AA to extinguish individuality. It is one vehical for their control of society. I simply believe that organized harassment crews co-opt its members, who all have sordid pasts, and hidden dark secrets, as well as trashed moral characters from years of stealing, using, raping, etc..
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_a1.html

[ontic_ideality]

If you are skeptical of my own claim as having something jammed up my nose after being drugged unconscious, and being unconscious for hours, then I recommend you locate the people who have accessed my blogs and e-mail accounts. The same people responsible for co-opting many in the harassing of me. They are grand manipulators, evil masters of power and control.

These are the same people who have influenced others in their effort to stop me from getting an MRI, x-ray.

Murderers. Torturers, scum.

They could reveal much, but they won't.

[AWPrime]

Priceless.....

[ontic_ideality]

I initially thought AW Prime was skeptical, I guess not, any..............

Skeptics of covert implantations should familiarize themselves with the writing of military labs, as well as others.
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowl ... ct072.html

If you read the above article you may begin to understand what these people are investigating. They are not chasing ghosts!

Regarding Eric b.'s statement about clicks/NLP, and the response concerning hypnosis, it should be understood that these campaigns, like the one brought onto Eric, use highly specialized psychological tatics. Clicks, jaggling of keys, abnormally loud clearing of throats, and many other sounds will be used to sensitize the victim. They serve to startle the target into a tenseness, which aids in causing the victim to feel self-conscious.

Clicking mechanisms are used, part of their pervasive assault, and the clicks might be sensitizing you/conditioning you to something you do in your home. Again, homes creak, and clicks can happen, but the clicks used in psychological terror campaigns will be identifiable to the victim, but I would not mention it to others.

Sensitizing, how do they do this? The victim will know something is going on, and the planners will designate some sound, which the target will be sensitized to. One should look into PSYOPS

The sensitizing is psychology. It is similar to when a child hears the sound of his or her father's car pulling into the driveway, 'dads home'. One naturally is conditioned to sounds and sounds will make people feel a certain way. Its like conditioning a dog or cat to a sound whether it is instilling fear, or something else. When a cat hears the opening of a can whether its peas or cat food, they will respond, and this response is based conditioning.

conditioning is what it is.

I would not recommend Eric to see a psychologist/psychiatrist, as they are co-opted by the organizers of covert harassment, to perform psychologically harassment themselves.

Evidence of this is not too difficult to find. Do a search for gang stalking psychiatry!

oi

[AWPrime]

And how are they financing this?

[grabby]

IF a person goes into an emergency room and says they have a sudden headache like a knife, the worst headache of their life, and then notice their hand is a little weak, they will get a cat scan in about 5 minutes ofr less no questions asked, quaranteed.

If however you say you have an implant from aliens in their nose they will instead pretty quickly be talking to mental health.


Don't try this at home.

[ontic_ideality]

If we refer to K. Lammer, in 'Military Mind Control and Alien Abdcutions' we will read the following:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..we reviewed hypnosis transcripts of MILABS abductees and compared their recovered memories with the experiences of survivors of now known, declassified, government- sponsored mind-control or behaviour-control experiments. We found a strong indication that covert "human" military personnel are involved in the alien abduction phenomenon

[AWPrime]

That would be just too stupid, implants in humans are far too easily discovered.

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ELRAY BEACH, Fla., March 13 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- VeriChip Corporation (Nasdaq: CHIP - News), a provider of RFID systems for healthcare and patient-related needs, announced today that 65 new hospitals have agreed to participate in the VeriMed Patient Identification System network at the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) 13th Annual Scientific Assembly conference in Las Vegas, bringing the Company's total number of enrolled hospitals to more than 500.

Scott R. Silverman, Chairman and CEO of VeriChip, commented, "We are very pleased to add 65 new hospitals to our network on day one of this three-day conference. Furthermore, we are proud to achieve a significant milestone in our infrastructure build-out. With more than 500 hospitals now enrolled in the VeriMed Patient Identification System, we are well on our way to meeting our stated year-end goal of 800 hospitals in the VeriMed network."

The VeriMed Patient Identification System, which consists of a hand-held radio frequency identification (RFID) scanner, an implantable RFID microchip, and a secure patient database, is being used to help rapidly identify and provide access to important health information on participating patients.

The new healthcare facilities agreed to use the VeriMed reader as standard protocol to scan patients that arrive in emergency rooms unconscious, delirious or confused. The Company continues to provide readers to hospitals and other healthcare facilities at no charge as part of its efforts to "seed" the infrastructure for the VeriMed patient identification system. link

[eXpat]

500 hospitals! That's a lot; question: are there so many people in the US with the chips implanted already?

[WildRose]

link This link shows some of the uses of RFID implants. It's a booming business with lots of different applications, from tracking equipment on construction sites to keeping track of our purchases.

What I'm wondering, about implanting them in patients - why do we need this when we have the electronic health record? With the EHR, all medical staff need to have when a patient enters the hospital system is a name and birth date, and ALL of the patient's medical documentation is available on computer, every lab test, x-ray, history and operative report. Why do we need RFID to treat patients? Even if they're unconscious, they're likely to have a wallet with ID on their person when they're transported to hospital.

[dukey]

id cards have worked well in europe before

[gg3]

What surprises me is that fundamentalist Christians haven't jumped on this one. Speaking of "the mark of the beast or the number of (your) name, without which (you) are unable to buy or sell," if this isn't it, nothing else even comes close.

What's needed here is for privacy advocates to develop legal language that patients can use to refuse to have these chips implanted in their bodies. Meanwhile a list of hospitals would be interesting, along with a list of the names of their PR directors or whoever is relevant. And a major campaign to get people to write to other hospitals to lobby their own people to refuse to get onboard.

And now for an "emperor's new clothes" moment: Assuming that RFID offers some real benefits in dealing with patients in the hospitals: why not just TAPE the chips to the incoming patients and REMOVE them when the patients leave? What potential advantage could possibly be claimed for IMPLANTING them as distinct from simply putting them on under something that looks like a bandage...?

I would not be sad if Verichip got wiped out in the next big hurricane to hit Florida, or failing that, if some foreign power dropped an atomic bomb right on their heads.

[paimei01]

Very small RFID chips: link $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')itachi was able to create RFID chips 64 times smaller than their currently available 0.4 x 0.4 mm mu-chips. Like mu-chips, which have been used as an anti-counterfeit measure in admission tickets, the new chips have a 128-bit ROM for storing a unique 38-digit ID number.