[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'A')aron, I sure hope you get paid well for this, I struggle to find time on here while working an 8-5 job plus every third weekend while not making my wife feel neglected. Fortunately, or rather not, she is salary and works late 3 or 4 days a week.

[jboogy]

Aaron- "& fell in love"..... who? who is it Aaron? WHO the F**K is it?....Is it NEOPO? I see the way he responds to your posts. You thought I wouldn't notice? , no wait....I know , it's gideon right?I saw the emoticon you used when you responded to his "Thongs in a post ,peak oil world, appropriate or not?"post. How could I have been so blind.(rhetorical question), no wait ,Gideon has secret aspirations of becoming a neocon, it couldn't be him. WHY WON"T YOU JUST TELL ME AND END THE PAIN?!!!(either of the two angry looking emoticons in the middle)

[Chaparral]

Dang, that little pond up in the environmental forum has lots o' little minnows swimming around there don't it? It seems like a little bitty minnow makes a splash and then one of our two or three resident lunkers makes a bigger splash and maybe even refer to a peer-reviewed paper somewhere and then more of them lil' minnows start splashin' round. Them lil' 20 post minnows don't even make good eatin. They're not satisfyin if you know what i mean. That biggun I had down in the off topic section a few weeks ago was delicious tho! He fought well and I had to feed him a lil' bit o line now and then but he finally ended up in the boat. Yessir I sauteed him with some chard and broccoli and a fine Pinot Grigio I did!

[NEOPO]

Until The End Aaron, until the end

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chaparral', 'D')ang, that little pond up in the environmental forum has lots o' little minnows swimming around there don't it? It seems like a little bitty minnow makes a splash and then one of our two or three resident lunkers makes a bigger splash and maybe even refer to a peer-reviewed paper somewhere and then more of them lil' minnows start splashin' round. Them lil' 20 post minnows don't even make good eatin. They're not satisfyin if you know what i mean. That biggun I had down in the off topic section a few weeks ago was delicious tho! He fought well and I had to feed him a lil' bit o line now and then but he finally ended up in the boat. Yessir I sauteed him with some chard and broccoli and a fine Pinot Grigio I did!

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '[')url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=eCz8KXxLBBA]Until The End Aaron, until the end[/url]

[threadbear]

I would think you'd find the most trolling in threads that contain the mixing water of public opinion, where general consensus has not been established, in topics indirectly or directly related to peak oil, like climate change or 911 theories.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I') would think you'd find the most trolling in threads that contain the mixing water of public opinion, where general consensus has not been established... like climate change....

[greenworm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ewsflash... I'm better at this than you are

[halcyon]

All sorts of corporate funded deniers have a long history of disinformation attacks, but mostly against science and in places of great publicity.

Examples of this are the multiple OilInc and TobaccoInc funded think tanks and institutes attacking global warming science. This has been amply documented throughout the years by various whistle blowers and investigative journalists.

Now, on PO the only real denial chorus that I've been able to find is the IHS/CERA and some American OilCos. Even the big oil companies elsewhere (BP, Shell, etc) mostly seem to "get it".

Sure, they may disagree on severity of the issue and exact timing or at least want to downplay it in the public.

Of course, this doesn't mean that they wouldn't be interested in denying the thing behind our backs, while publicly seeming to give some credence to PO.

All I know is that, if you have fairly conclusive evidence, I'd suggest you confront the posters in private or public by singleing them out and try to put a stop to it, if you can.

There's already too much disinformation in this world as it is and trying to find out things is difficult enough as it is.

If there is a genuine disinformation campaign, please consider putting a stop to it.

And thanks for posting this, it's always good to be at least aware of things.

[AirlinePilot]

For once and for all please dispose of threadbear's illusion that
I'm some form of shill, spy, plant or whatever she thinks!

Can you do that?

[Zentric]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'F')or once and for all please dispose of threadbear's illusion that
I'm some form of shill, spy, plant or whatever she thinks!

Can you do that?

[AirlinePilot]

None i can think of Zentric. I'm here like many others. I'm worried about the near future. I see this place as a sort of beacon in the coming storm. I'm not the type to go along with the crowd and in these forums I have found knowledge, solace, and possible hope that I can get through whats coming.

I found this place after researching crude oil and the industry due to my concerns over crude price and why we are in the boat we are in. While I remain a doomer, foreknowledge provides a certain edge to what might befall us. I credit this sight for opening my eyes at least about PO and making me question the larger world around me I thought I knew so much about.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'N')one i can think of Zentric. I'm here like many others. I'm worried about the near future. I see this place as a sort of beacon in the coming storm. I'm not the type to go along with the crowd and in these forums I have found knowledge, solace, and possible hope that I can get through whats coming.

I found this place after researching crude oil and the industry due to my concerns over crude price and why we are in the boat we are in. While I remain a doomer, foreknowledge provides a certain edge to what might befall us. I credit this sight for opening my eyes at least about PO and making me question the larger world around me I thought I knew so much about.

[Zentric]

If you won't own up to this...

AirlinePilot po.com forum member is a PUNK!
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic26148.html ...

then the question becomes 'what else have you done that you also will not own up to?'

Given the above, if threadbear thinks you could be a shill, what can you now say to make her think that you're not?

Burden of proof seems to be on you.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Cheney reads this site. He told me he thinks the zombie thread is funny. specially the bit about Bush being zombiefied in Uruguay. sez he spit his coffee when he read that.

[AirlinePilot]

I hadnt read that thread Zentric! Very good!

So I asked some like minded friends to join in some fun? I mean really...so what? There was no malice intended there at all. Maybe it was on the fringe of etiquette I'll admit, but it was worth (and still is) watching Neopo melt down due to it.

Look, I know Im not going to get a lot of support here refuting truthers but it isn't going to stop me from participating. Arguments made with maturity, factual evidence, and civility will always hold a lot more water with anyone than insults and conjecture. At least for those of us who value structured argument and debate. I am always willing to give a reasonable idea the benefit of doubt. Seems a lot of truthers just don't operate that way. If you don't, than how can you reasonably weigh an argument? You can't If you refuse to acknowledge both sides before you reason out which you think is the more plausible one. Some will come up with a different perspective and for me thats ok. I don't need to stoop to some lower level of insult and lible because someone doesn't agree with me. It's a sign of immaturity and insecurity to operate that way.

Neopo to this day hasn't let go of that thread and its a discredit to him I think, as he is likely a pretty smart guy. I also think it's a sign of his lack of maturity.

How long do you think he'll hold the grudge? I got to give him credit for keeping the fires stoked!

[Zentric]

Okay, I'm getting a little cognitive dissonance from you, because your "like-minded friends," it seems, were at least as guilty of not adhering to "structured argument and debate" as were, apparently, "a lot of the truthers" on this forum. So the solution that you had in mind was not to invite others so as to bring conceptual clarity to the discussion, but rather to bum rush the opposition by inciting loud, vociferous thugs at the Randi forum to come on over to kick ass and have some fun. Oh, AirlinePilot, you little scamp! .

So, getting back to how threadbear thinks you're possibly a shill - as far as I can see, nothing you've said would serve to dispel her from thinking that. On the other hand, I'm sure threadbear will make up her own mind about how she chooses to look upon you.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'I') hadnt read that thread Zentric! Very good!

So I asked some like minded friends to join in some fun? I mean really...so what? There was no malice intended there at all. Maybe it was on the fringe of etiquette I'll admit, but it was worth (and still is) watching Neopo melt down due to it.

Look, I know Im not going to get a lot of support here refuting truthers but it isn't going to stop me from participating. Arguments made with maturity, factual evidence, and civility will always hold a lot more water with anyone than insults and conjecture. At least for those of us who value structured argument and debate. I am always willing to give a reasonable idea the benefit of doubt. Seems a lot of truthers just don't operate that way. If you don't, than how can you reasonably weigh an argument? You can't If you refuse to acknowledge both sides before you reason out which you think is the more plausible one. Some will come up with a different perspective and for me thats ok. I don't need to stoop to some lower level of insult and lible because someone doesn't agree with me. It's a sign of immaturity and insecurity to operate that way.

Neopo to this day hasn't let go of that thread and its a discredit to him I think, as he is likely a pretty smart guy. I also think it's a sign of his lack of maturity.

How long do you think he'll hold the grudge? I got to give him credit for keeping the fires stoked!

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I')mmediately thereafter, you state that:

"Arguments made with maturity, factual evidence, and civility will always hold a lot more water with anyone than insults and conjecture".

What's up with that? You admit giving up the moral highground by encouraging people on another forum to come over and mock us, then try to reclaim it in the very next paragraph, with an appeal to lofty standards. You're all over the map, and obviously not very consistent in tone. Perhaps it ends there, but it leaves me a little suspicious.