[seahorse2]

Aaron,

Kill the trolls. Its not enough that the public has lots a neutral medium like t.v. news, don't let it happen here. There's no place for it. Keep them out. Let the people here debate openly and honestly, without some bullshit corporate/bureacratic agenda being posted. This will confuse those new to the site. Let only honest debate happen here.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'A')aron,

Kill the trolls. Its not enough that the public has lots a neutral medium like t.v. news, don't let it happen here. There's no place for it. Keep them out. Let the people here debate openly and honestly, without some bullshit corporate/bureacratic agenda being posted. This will confuse those new to the site. Let only honest debate happen here.

[Aaron]

Oh yeah...

And I just had to add that the clever reader will wonder why I would tell everybody what I'm doing.

Interesting question.

Now we trot down the logic-tree of possibilities... a virtual maze of potential. Welcome to my world.

And of course this post itself further expands the equation... telling you to "wonder why I'm telling".

Yeesh.

What a nightmare.

I'm either Bat-Shaite Crazy or smarter than your average bear Boo Boo. (Maybe a little of both) Guess I'm willing to accept that.

[MD]

I'd like to learn what you know. It sounds fun.

You still haven't called my cell phone. I know you can manage to get that done.

Leave a message on my voice mail and I'll send 100 bucks to your named charity.

I double dare ya~!

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'I')'d like to learn what you know. It sounds fun.

You still haven't called my cell phone. I know you can manage to get that done.

Leave a message on my voice mail and I'll send 100 bucks to your named charity.

I double dare ya~!

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'I')'d like to learn what you know. It sounds fun.

You still haven't called my cell phone. I know you can manage to get that done.

Leave a message on my voice mail and I'll send 100 bucks to your named charity.

I double dare ya~!

[Jack]

Oh no! Please don't tell anyone that I'm posting from Dick Cheney's computer! He'd be ticked! And you know what he can do with a shotgun. (shudder)

[Eli]

Listen I am a honest working person like most of you are too.

So I work for Exxon Mobile big deal!

Being a troll is a tough job and a little sympathy would be appreciated, you guys don't understand how crappy it is living under a bridge down by the river eating goat day in and day out.

[rockdoc123]

i'm a wee bit confused here with the thought that trolling is on the rise. First off, I have an extremely hard time understanding what constitutes trolling. Is someone classified as a troll if he posts something that disagrees with your own personal viewpoints?, or do they have to disagree with "conventional wisdom" (which is somewhat oxymoronic)? or just with Simmons/Campbell/Laherre/(insert name of other guru) etc.? Are they now only a troll if they post anything no matter how factual as long as they post from a IP address you find offends your sensibilities?

Given that much of what happens on this website is exchange of opinions, albeit some backed up with facutal information more than others I suspect that one man's troll is other man's Plato.

None of this is meant as a criticism....I guess I just don't recognize the problem.

[I_Like_Plants]

Regardless of whether it's happening a lot here, this tactic is becoming common in the Empire. From Scientologists buying anti-scientology sites, anti-abortionists buying abortion clinics and webpages, and AIPAC-funded Obama pretending to stand up for non-Israelis, this is a tactic that's becoming a way of doing business in the Empire and we have to learn to identify it.

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') believe the word "disinformation" makes the definition quite clear.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') believe the word "disinformation" makes the definition quite clear.

[seahorse2]

Rockdoc,

Its not that difficult - we are concerned with agendas of those who have a financial interest in the debate as opposed to those who are simply individuals interested in the issue. It makes a difference in weighing opinions on the issue to know if the individual posting is posting on behalf of his/her individual views or posing as an individual here but acting on behalf of a corporation or other group with financial interest or "agenda." Here's an example of how it would matter, CERA continually says PO should be debated, but refuses any attempt to actually debate it in a public forum, why? are they trying to hide their silly asses as "concerned individuals" in forums like these and put out an agenda here instead of debating the issue? Many individuals, like westtexas at the oildrum and for awhile, Energydigger here, included their personal emails - full disclosure of who they were, their background, their interest in the subject matter. In the end, it makes a difference to those here who are trying to learn and separate fact from fiction - agenda's, especially paid agendas, matter in everything from science, business and politics. We've debated the agendas of some of the pessimist like Simmons and Pickens, why not have full disclosure here? Anything to hide? What about Lynch, who several years ago was reported to have financial ties for those opposing peak oil. When I asked him for full disclosure, he refused to answer.

Now, if you are coming out of the closet, that's okay. This isn't the Marine Corps, and Aaron isn't General Pace.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', 'T')he only difference between misinformation and disinformation is intent. So my question is how do you know what a poster's intent is? At best it must be an educated guess?

[seahorse2]

Here are some easily found links to the US military's use of "Pysops" and disinformation or misinformation, doesn't matter to me what you want to call it. Now, I'm sure that anybody and everybody that has the ability, from corporations to Karl Rove, are using similar tactics:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers familiar with the program. The effort has raised his profile in a way that some military intelligence officials believe may have overstated his importance and helped the Bush administration tie the war to the organization responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

[strider3700]

I'm curious what type of trolling they've been doing?

I haven't noticed an increase in people outright denying PO.

Everything else always just seems to be an on going argument between doomers and everyone else as to how bad, how soon, how quickly, starting where...

The only real troll I remember was the stock pumping biodiesel guy.

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'K')eep talking RDoc--You're drilling yourself a bigger hole.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'T')he only real troll I remember was the stock pumping biodiesel guy.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'O')h yeah...

And I just had to add that the clever reader will wonder why I would tell everybody what I'm doing.

Interesting question.

Now we trot down the logic-tree of possibilities... a virtual maze of potential. Welcome to my world.

And of course this post itself further expands the equation... telling you to "wonder why I'm telling".

Yeesh.

What a nightmare.

I'm either Bat-Shaite Crazy or smarter than your average bear Boo Boo. (Maybe a little of both) Guess I'm willing to accept that.

[seahorse2]

My "coming out of the closet" post to Rockdoc was simply a poor attempt at internet humor. I think and hope he knows I was kidding, but for everyone else, I'll be the first to vouch for Rockdoc, even though I only know him from his posts. His posts always add to the debate, never detract, and are always opinions ultimately based on an analysis of the facts. People may disagree, but that's okay, because his posts openly leave room for disagreement. In the end, his posts usually conclude that the facts still leave room for more than one conclusion, and in the end, that's true. However, in reading all his posts, or certainly most of them concerning PO, his opinions would be considered very pessimistic by a group like CERA or an individual like Lynch. However, I hesitate to use a "pessimist" lable on anyone, because automatically that would cause many people to categorize him without reading and studying his many posts - which would be their loss.