[Devil]

Sorry, anonymous guest who doesn't have the courage to declare himself and possibly has a vested interest in the "invention", I can only say from the "How it works" page that this is untter male bovine excrement.

There ain't no sich thing as a free lunch.

[gnm]

Lisa!, in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!

-Homer

[gnm]

Another magnet device by folks with a poor understanding of magnets. Reminds me of the Korean inventor who made a motor with cleverly arragned permenant magnets and one "kickover" pulse electromagnet..

problem is magnets DO NOT PRODUCE ENERGY!

they might better be compared to a battery perhaps...


-G

[The_Virginian]

Lux,

I would not be so quick to lable the poor person as a "plant" or "Spammer." I've seen this written about on rense.com and other such sites. The Techno dribbel will impress ignorant folk like me, and possibly our "geust."

We see such a thing/device and say "wow", they say "Cash or Credit?"

There is annother magnet machine I saw on japan.com that was supposed to be a fan that operated on far less electricity because of opposing magnets etc.

A claim of a 1500% energy gain needs varification by an independent lab (university?) many of whom would do it for free just for the research opputunity.

Just a view from the "average Joe" with a psych degree, who thinks he's "educamted" but really is not.

[The_Virginian]

gnm,

The "concept" is that he magnets provide a force where alomst zero resistance is provided in order increase spin of the motor/device.

Yep probly bunk.

[The_Virginian]

oh ho, definitly bunk.

Here is a list of thier patent aplications:
http://www.lutec.com.au/patents.htm

Here is the US patent site for looking up applications.

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html

Here is their supposed patent aplication #:
09/831160

Niether "Lutec" nor the patent application # with the US office found any matches.

Also take note how the ONLY "patent" aplication that is not a facimile of a patent application is the one from the US...no numbers only a cover sheet . Nice cover story.

They only want 1000USD to prove your serious and pay for a machine that even they don't know how much it will cost or the exact specs!

The obeise lady has sung on this SCAM.

[gnm]

Right I understand that they are supposedly using the permenant magnets as a power boost source - the poster a couple back mentioned the low power japanese motor - perhaps I mistakenly referred to it as Korean.? same concept - use perm-mags to move the stator then kick it around with a little extra power to finish the cycle... sounds nice but doesn't work... the conceptual problem people have is that permanent magnets are a source of power... they actually will degrade and lose thier magnetism when used in this method.. There is no real net gain in power...

so "permanent" magnets are not....

-G

[rerere]

Ok, perhaps not like solar powered Stirling Cycle Engines. Because Stirling Engines obey known laws of Physics.

(An example of a non-shipping Stirling would be http://www.energyinnovations.com. An example of a shipping by cost in-effective Stirling is http://www.whispergen.com)

These kinds of machines have a $10,000 to $1,000,000 'show me they work' reward.
So far, not a one of them has collected the reward.

And, if the $1000.00 'earnest money' was the case, the money would be deposited in a trust account like the earnest money for the tango http://www.commutercars.com

[sneak]

Hi there again.

I'm the "guest", who is supposedly conspiring to lead everyone down the garden path to the dodgy "Lutec 1000"...

I'd just like to clarify that I have absolutely nothing to do with them - I'm as interested in what we are going to do for energy in the post-carbon world as much as all of you. My handle is Sneak - I don't think I logged in properly, so I'm sorry about that.

Anyhow, thanks for all your answers. The Lutec 1000 appears to complete crap...which is a pity. It would be fantastic if something like that actually worked... I appreciate all your responses, and hopefully I can contribute something a little more constructive next time!

[azreal60]

Ahh not your fault sneak. Your new, and it is easy to get taken in if you don t have experence in the field. I mean, who Wouldn t like to have something that basically solved all their energy problems?

We have had alot of anon posters before posting silly or just plain agitating ideas. Some of our more senior posters tend to over react because of that to an anon post that has been obviously disproved in other parts of the site. They forget that not everyone wades thru every old post there ever was to find out if they are posting about something similar.

Anyway, welcome to the site, and if you are looking for things to do to help, the planning for the future forum definately will be your home. You would be suprised how many of the solutions are not some magic tech, but rather simple. We just have to actually do them. :D

[Leanan]

Definitely a scam. One of the oldest ones in the book, too: the perpetual motion machine. I used to see ads for them in the back of my dad's old science magazines, some of them dating from the '50s! And the thing is, you'd think people who read science magazines would know better than to fall for perpetual motion scams. Obviously not, or the ads wouldn't keep running. (Discover was shamed into banning perpetual motion machine ads, when their subscribers denounced them for accepting them.)

You should report them to the Australian equivalent of FTC. Definitely do not give them any money!

[Aaron]

Yeah but I saw a demonstration of this glass bird thing that rocked back & forth pretending to drink water from a glass.

So we just build a bunch of these but much bigger, attach super magnets with photon-laser beam nanosolar fusion carbon hybrid technology... and...

[Devil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'Y')eah but I saw a demonstration of this glass bird thing that rocked back & forth pretending to drink water from a glass.

So we just build a bunch of these but much bigger, attach super magnets with photon-laser beam nanosolar fusion carbon hybrid technology... and...

[gg3]

A few years back I worked on a project that was evaluating a bunch of potential renewable energy systems; some of which fell into the category of "free energy devices." One of my colleagues was contacted by a guy with one of these "motor-like" things. Took it into the lab, showed the guy that it wasn't doing what he claimed.

The guy was basically an amateur who thought that if you got an increased voltage out of a system, you were getting over-unity performance. My colleague had to teach him all of the basic equations of electricity, to show him that his increased voltage came at the expense of decreased current, and therefore, no over-unity output.

My colleague did tell the guy that his motor was quiet and highly efficient, qualities that were useful in industrial applications. Last we heard, the guy had gotten venture capital to develop it for use running cooling fans in servers, for application in server farms where the efficiency & quiet, multiplied by the number of machines on the rack, would be of value.

We ran into other cases of people who were making claims that were simply mistaken (i.e. they were acting in good faith but were ignorant of basic engineering principles), and a few that were overt frauds, and one or two that were potentially interesting in a theoretical sense but didn't seem to be viable as real-world sources of usable energy.

The unfortunate endpoint of this story is, there are enough fraudsters in the mix, to cast a shadow over the entire field of "garage inventor energy devices." That's a damn shame, because it amounts to prejudice and can end up costing the loss of potentially useful technology (even if "useful" in only a limited sense, e.g. a quiet & more-efficient motor for server fans).

On top of that, there's theoretical work going on in regard to the "zero point field," which holds out the promise of eventually developing a truly significant energy source. Problem with this is, although the math holds together pretty well, the only peer-reviewed empirical support so far seems to be a couple of Bell Labs experiments that demonstrate an effect on a microscopic scale, and there seems to be no obvious path toward scaling that up to something useful. So this goes in the same category as fusion reactors, where "we'll have one in about forty years from now," has been the operative phrase for the past forty years.

I tend to think that there is great room for many minor improvements in generation, transmission, and usage technologies, and that all of these minor improvements will add up to a measurable single-digit percentage of overall energy production & consumption. Every little bit counts.

In the meantime, back to the reliable old mantra, "sun, wind, uranium!"

[geoffdegeoffgeoff]

has anybody read this book:
amazon

i think there is cause for a little optimism here - tho shady goings on seem to have made things difficult for many of these researchers.

hopefully peak oil will mean that research is accelerated in these area and we can all live in some star trekish paradise with abundant energy for everybody.

[duff_beer_dragon]

For information purposes ; I haven't visited many of these, so I don't want any replies argueing with me as to what the websites linked might say.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/links/futurescience.html

list of websites linked -

A-albionic Research website
Aethmogen Technologies - New Energy Scientists
American Hydrogen Association

Bedini's Free Energy
Borderland Sciences Website
Boundaries of Science Web Ring
Bruce Cathie Home Page
Bruce DePalma webpage
Center For Implosion Research
Cold Fusion Times web page
Damanhur - time travel, esoteric physics
David W. Allan's TIME
Dr David Schweitzer - Thought form Phototgraphy
Dr Valerie Hunt-The Human Energy Field
Dr. Paul A. LaViolette
Dr Harold Aspen website - Energy Science
Earth Resonance
ESP Research - Russell Targ & Jane Katra
Electrifying Times Magazine
Electrogravitational Mechanics
Engines of Tomorrow by Robert Buderi
EVGray Electric Motor - Edwin Gray Sr
Federation of American Scientists
Fuel Cells 2000's Homepage
Fran De Aquino-Gravitational SpaceCraft
Frontier Sciences Foundation
Global Sciences Foundation
High-Spin Monatomic Research
International Space Sciences Organization
INE links page (awesome)
Infinite Energy Magazine Online - Cold Fusion and New Energy
Inside the EVGray Motor
Ivor Catt's Home Page
John Hutchison's Web Page
John Nordberg's Grand Unification Theory for Physics
John Tyndall bio information
Josef Hasslberger-Physics, New Energy & Economics
KeelyNet Website - start here for the latest and greatest
LaFonte Research Group
Leading Edge International Research Group Home Page
Linear Energy Corporation
Mad Scientists & Weird Science
Magnetic Energy to Heal the Planet
Mindsong Inc-Cyberbiology in Microelectronics & Chip Technology
National Inventors Hall of Fame
New Scientist Magazine
Orgone Biophysical Research Laboratory (OBRL)
Orgone Energy/Wilhelm Reich research
Orgone Radionics products
Pappas - Ion Magnetic Inductor
Paramahamsa Tewari
Peter Peregrius Motor
Perpetual motion-Bessler's Wheel
Philip Callahan
Prof. Brian Josephson's home page
Project Earth - Adam Trombly website
Rex Research Home Page
Robert Adams' Pulsed Electric Motor Generator
Richard Milton:
Rupert Sheldrake Homepage
Sacred Geometry - Dan Winter website
Society for Scientific Exploration
Scientific American Magazine
Scientific & Medical Network Home Page
Scientific Works of John K. Harms
Science Frontiers Digest of Scientific Anomalies
SQR - Institute for Space-Quanta-Research
Sympathetic Vibratory Physics
The Academy For Future Science - J.J. Hurtak
The Buckminster Fuller Insitute homepage
The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman
The Free Energy page
The Meru Foundation
The Stardrive homepage
The Institute for New Energy
The Universes of Fred Alan Wolf
Time Cube
Time Travel Research Center
Tom Bearden website
Thomas Townsend Brown Site
Tony Cuthbert Homepage
United States Patent and Trademark Office
Vedic Maths resources and information
Walter Wright - Gravity is a PUSH!
Walter Russell 'Physics' Homepage

[skiwi]

Being seeded as a VHSrip xvid.avi torrent file at http://conspiracy.hopto.org:6969/

1996 doco running for 110 mins 526 mb in size

From Nikola Tesla to Cold Fusion, Magnetic Motors to Antigravity...
This groundbreaking video documents leading theories and practical devices that tap into zero point energy — which is now acknowledged by physicists to exist in all space as a running river of accessible electromagnetic energy..

[scareduck]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skiwi', 'F')rom Nikola Tesla to Cold Fusion, Magnetic Motors to Antigravity...

[TrueKaiser]

not to mention most of these go agenst the laws of thermodynamics. and if you want further proof, mythbusters devoted 1/3 of a epp to the major zpe devices and majorly disproved them.

[mindfarkk]

i don't know much about the zero point subject, but i do know this; the laws of thermodynamics do not apply at subatomic levels.

the big thing about string theory is that it unifies large scale physical phenomenon, such as thermodynamics, with subatomic phenomenon, two systems which was previously impossible to reconcile mathematically, although since reality exists they must reconcile somehow, somewhere; it's our understanding that is lacking. the string theory model addresses that lack. my point being that while thermodynamics describe macroscopic behavior of systems quite accurately, it is not applicable at these tiny levels.

of course, the whole concept of points in terms of applied physics is being reconsidered with string theory. they still exist as mathematical concepts, but may be more of a convenience than representative of real space.