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More firepower on the street

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 20 Feb 2007, 02:04:14

You can't blame the police. They have no choice but to "upgrade":

Police needing heavier weapons

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')aw enforcement agencies across the country have been upgrading their firepower to deal with what they say is the increasing presence of high-powered weapons on the streets.

Scott Knight, chairman of the Firearms Committee of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, says an informal survey of about 20 departments revealed that since 2004 all of the agencies have either added weapons to officers' patrol units or have replaced existing weaponry with military-style arms.

Knight, police chief in Chaska, Minn., says the upgrades have occurred since a national ban on certain assault weapons expired in September 2004. The ban, passed in 1994, in part prohibited domestic gunmakers from producing semi-automatic weapons and ammunition dispensers holding more than 10 rounds.

"This (weapons upgrade) is being done with an eye to the absolute knowledge that more higher-caliber weapons are on the street since the expiration of the ban," Knight said. He said his own department of about 20 officers is in the midst of determining whether to upgrade its weapons.

Good work, NRA. You got exactly what you wanted.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby mattduke » Tue 20 Feb 2007, 02:38:48

Haven't seen them myself. I guess I live in a "nice area". Anyway, the only people who have ever pointed guns at me were policemen. It wasn't all that bad, because recalling my story of the incompetent Oakland police got me out of jury duty.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Loki » Tue 20 Feb 2007, 05:09:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'Y')ou can't blame the police. They have no choice but to "upgrade":

Police needing heavier weapons

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')aw enforcement agencies across the country have been upgrading their firepower to deal with what they say is the increasing presence of high-powered weapons on the streets.

Scott Knight, chairman of the Firearms Committee of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, says an informal survey of about 20 departments revealed that since 2004 all of the agencies have either added weapons to officers' patrol units or have replaced existing weaponry with military-style arms.

Knight, police chief in Chaska, Minn., says the upgrades have occurred since a national ban on certain assault weapons expired in September 2004. The ban, passed in 1994, in part prohibited domestic gunmakers from producing semi-automatic weapons and ammunition dispensers holding more than 10 rounds.

"This (weapons upgrade) is being done with an eye to the absolute knowledge that more higher-caliber weapons are on the street since the expiration of the ban," Knight said. He said his own department of about 20 officers is in the midst of determining whether to upgrade its weapons.

Good work, NRA. You got exactly what you wanted.


What a load of shit. There is ZERO, as in NONE, ZIP, NADA, evidence that the ugly black rifle ban did anything to reduce any crimes of any kind. The jackboots want new toys and find it convenient to blame the sunsetting of that ridiculous law. And you buy it hook line and sinker. Oh the evil evil NRA.....Do you even have a clue what the AWB actually prohibited? Somehow I seriously doubt it. It certainly didn't prohibit "semi-automatic weapons" as that idiotic article states.

And many police agencies acquired ARs and other military pattern rifles long before the AWB sunsetted. Uncle Sam gives them away. Why pay for a PC shotgun or rifle when Uncle Sucker will give you a much cooler looking rifle for free?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Scott Knight, chairman of the Firearms Committee of the International Association of Chiefs of Police', '"')This (weapons upgrade) is being done with an eye to the absolute knowledge that more higher-caliber weapons are on the street since the expiration of the ban," Knight said."

I'll assume he means larger caliber weapons, which, by the way, have nothing whatsoever to do with the AWB.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ast year, because of the escalation of violence and firepower on the street, Hurtt says he ordered patrol officers to wear body armor. Wearing armor had long been a matter of personal choice for officers.

Unless they're wearing rifle plates, body armor isn't going to do anything to protect cops from the alleged plague of "assault weapons." Another nice little slice of bullshit.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby IanC » Tue 20 Feb 2007, 12:13:39

Don't mince words, Loki - how do you really feel?

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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Kingcoal » Tue 20 Feb 2007, 13:33:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ood work, NRA. You got exactly what you wanted.


Controlled substances such as cocaine, heroin and marijuana are illegal to possess without a special license. It's been that way for at least 30 years. However, if you want any of those substances, it's not that hard to obtain them. In fact, most high school students could tell you who to contact to buy some.

If the US government were to make private ownership of firearms illegal, criminals would still be able to get them. Instead of the general populace being armed, only criminals and police would be. There are a lot of guns in the world. FEG of Hungary produced enough AK-47 assault rifles to arm everyone in the world with one. Before 1968, you could buy a rifle through the mail. Today you must buy one from a licensed dealer and undergo a background check and waiting period. Do we have more or less violent crime per capita since '68? Gun laws have become steadily more restrictive since the Gun Control Act of 1968.

I think that more laws is the wrong approach. The baby boom generation should be known as the "there outta be a law" generation. In the case of violent crime, it's easy. Being a victim of violent crime myself I can speak with some authority. Drugs and alcohol are the fuel for violent crime, particularly highly addictive substances like cocaine, meth, etc. If you commit a crime with a gun, you will be hit with very severe penalties, much more severe than with no gun. The NRA fought to have such laws put in place. That deterrence works against clear minded criminals. However, a drug addict really only cares about getting their next fix and will resort to any means to get it. The vast majority of burglaries, robberies, etc, are committed by drug addicts. The risk these robbers take is huge compared to the gain. A typical burglary might earn the criminal $200 if they are lucky. If they get caught, it will earn them years in jail. If they burglarize the wrong home, they might even lose their life. Their dealers might even provide them with a gun to support their habit. If the drug dealer can get and sell highly illegal substances like heroin, they can get guns also.

My house was burglarized by such people. I now have a security system. If they come back while I’m home, I will protect my life and my property.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby RonMN » Tue 20 Feb 2007, 13:59:50

A society where only criminals are armed. NO THANKS!
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby neocone » Tue 20 Feb 2007, 14:59:33

The legal infrastructure of the US has everything to do with the prison industrial system.

"A recent murder encapsulated the difficulties. After a 17-year-old was beaten up, his mother gave him a gun and told him to get revenge, and he killed the boy he fought with.

When police went to his home to investigate, they found the mother with cocaine and a family photo on display of the son with a gun in one hand and a fistful of cash in the other.

"For us to correct this, we have to look at the root of the problem. The root of the problem is our education system," Police Superintendent Warren Riley said in an interview."

The same lawyers who push for "tough crime" laws will push for firearms freedom and lower education funding...

Same as the malpractice lawyers pushing for lax standarts for physicians... so HMO can get cheap ones with fake diplomas!!!

Welcome to no value added, perpetum mobile type "capitalism"...
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby aflurry » Tue 20 Feb 2007, 21:52:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'T')heir dealers might even provide them with a gun to support their habit.


it's just a guess, but i would estimate that this has happened exactly zero times in the history of the world.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby aflurry » Tue 20 Feb 2007, 22:17:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'B')efore 1968, you could buy a rifle through the mail. Today you must buy one from a licensed dealer and undergo a background check and waiting period. Do we have more or less violent crime per capita since '68?


alot of other things have happened since 1968 as well.

it's kind of hard to make the case one way or another about the effects of gun control on personal safety or violent crime, there are so many other factors that come into play.

That's the same conclusion Michael Moore came to in that Columbine movie as well.

However, it does seem pretty clear that the rabid gunlust our culture and the pernicious view that the gun is the solution to your problems, held equally by the crimimal and the "family man" will eventually lead to more people getting hurt and killed in more clever and unexpected ways... one constant characteristic of violent conflict, whther between gang members, between criminal and law abiding citizen, between cop robber, between occupier and insurrectionist, or between nations is that is will quickly get out of hand, with unforseen and unpredictable results.

i am not for gun control, but it doesn't stop me from feeling disgust at the righteous gun champions who cheaply repeat over and over the detailed scenarios of their violent triumph over the imaginary criminals.

i can't separate it in my mind from the reasons we are in iraq, stuck, dealing with the chaos that violence generates. because we were too proud to talk.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby SoothSayer » Wed 21 Feb 2007, 15:35:46

In the UK we get a MANDATORY 5 years jail if found with a handgun. No civilian may own one.

Shotguns and to a lesser extent rifles can be owned .. but only after a police check etc. Very few people possess firearms here.

I can't imagine what it must be like living in a country awash with firearms.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby jato » Wed 21 Feb 2007, 15:37:35

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

The cops are too heavily armed? Quit whining and go out buy an assault rifle while you still can. I am weary of anyone who goes against the 2nd (which includes Prez Bush who stated he would sign another assault weapon ban).

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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby ALBY » Wed 21 Feb 2007, 17:03:53

molon labe

that is is all
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Anthrobus » Wed 21 Feb 2007, 17:36:12

hey you NRA-Fans here, i have a suggestion to make:

just give every Iraqi a Firearm and all the hostilities in this uprooted society will cease immediately? And you could sell explosives in the USA unlimited too, the results might be, eh, fascinating.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby gnm » Wed 21 Feb 2007, 17:36:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', 'I')n the UK we get a MANDATORY 5 years jail if found with a handgun. No civilian may own one.

Shotguns and to a lesser extent rifles can be owned .. but only after a police check etc. Very few people possess firearms here.

I can't imagine what it must be like living in a country awash with firearms.


Your police are not "civilians" ? 8O that would make them an occupying army...

Awash in firearms... actually its quite nice here... And Switzerland is also....

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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby gnm » Wed 21 Feb 2007, 17:40:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anthrobus', 'h')ey you NRA-Fans here, i have a suggestion to make:

just give every Iraqi a Firearm and all the hostilities in this uprooted society will cease immediately? And you could sell explosives in the USA unlimited too, the results might be, eh, fascinating.


I thought every Iraqi already had a rifle... Well any who can afford them... And we're talking those full auto AK with the flash suppresor types....

Actually most anyone in the US can buy big boomer type fireworks and gunpowder (black and smokeless) any time they like...

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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Loki » Wed 21 Feb 2007, 17:52:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anthrobus', 'h')ey you NRA-Fans here, i have a suggestion to make:

just give every Iraqi a Firearm and all the hostilities in this uprooted society will cease immediately? And you could sell explosives in the USA unlimited too, the results might be, eh, fascinating.

I seem to recall there was another German who was very supportive of extremely strict gun control laws. What was his name......Oh yeah, Adolph Hitler. You are in very good company.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership', 'T')he Nazi Weapons Law of 1938 replaced a Law on Firearms and Ammunition of April 13, 1928. The 1928 law was enacted by a center-right, freely elected German government that wanted to curb "gang activity," violent street fights between Nazi party and Communist party thugs. All firearm owners and their firearms had to be registered. Sound familiar? "Gun control" did not save democracy in Germany. It helped to make sure that the toughest criminals, the Nazis, prevailed.

The Nazis inherited lists of firearm owners and their firearms when they 'lawfully' took over in March 1933. The Nazis used these inherited registration lists to seize privately held firearms from persons who were not "reliable." Knowing exactly who owned which firearms, the Nazis had only to revoke the annual ownership permits or decline to renew them.

In 1938, five years after taking power, the Nazis enhanced the 1928 law. The Nazi Weapons Law introduced handgun control. Firearms ownership was restricted to Nazi party members and other "reliable" people.

The 1938 Nazi law barred Jews from businesses involving firearms. On November 10. 1938 -- one day after the Nazi party terror squads (the SS) savaged thousands of Jews, synagogues and Jewish businesses throughout Germany -- new regulations under the Weapons Law specifically barred Jews from owning any weapons, even clubs or knives.

http://www.jpfo.org/GCA_68.htm
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby SoothSayer » Wed 21 Feb 2007, 19:09:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our police are not "civilians" ? Shocked that would make them an occupying army...

Almost all British police are unarmed.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby gnm » Wed 21 Feb 2007, 19:22:44

I'm sure thats what they would like you "civilians" to believe....

So when did they become military?

these two look freindly...

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smart little caps though...


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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby SoothSayer » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 04:07:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'I')'m sure thats what they would like you "civilians" to believe....

So when did they become military?

these two look freindly...

Image

smart little caps though...


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I'm sure thats what they would like you "civilians" to believe....

Sigh ... the "average" policeman in the street IS unarmed. Sure, the anti-terror & other special units (especially in London) ARE armed ... but the majority as I said are unarmed.

Visit Britain and have a look if you aren't convinced.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby max_power29 » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 04:39:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anthrobus', 'h')ey you NRA-Fans here, i have a suggestion to make:

just give every Iraqi a Firearm and all the hostilities in this uprooted society will cease immediately? And you could sell explosives in the USA unlimited too, the results might be, eh, fascinating.

I seem to recall there was another German who was very supportive of extremely strict gun control laws. What was his name......Oh yeah, Adolph Hitler. You are in very good company.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership', 'T')he Nazi Weapons Law of 1938 replaced a Law on Firearms and Ammunition of April 13, 1928. The 1928 law was enacted by a center-right, freely elected German government that wanted to curb "gang activity," violent street fights between Nazi party and Communist party thugs. All firearm owners and their firearms had to be registered. Sound familiar? "Gun control" did not save democracy in Germany. It helped to make sure that the toughest criminals, the Nazis, prevailed.

The Nazis inherited lists of firearm owners and their firearms when they 'lawfully' took over in March 1933. The Nazis used these inherited registration lists to seize privately held firearms from persons who were not "reliable." Knowing exactly who owned which firearms, the Nazis had only to revoke the annual ownership permits or decline to renew them.

In 1938, five years after taking power, the Nazis enhanced the 1928 law. The Nazi Weapons Law introduced handgun control. Firearms ownership was restricted to Nazi party members and other "reliable" people.

The 1938 Nazi law barred Jews from businesses involving firearms. On November 10. 1938 -- one day after the Nazi party terror squads (the SS) savaged thousands of Jews, synagogues and Jewish businesses throughout Germany -- new regulations under the Weapons Law specifically barred Jews from owning any weapons, even clubs or knives.

http://www.jpfo.org/GCA_68.htm


Life in the U.S. will be hell When Hitlery Klinton inherits these lists (there are complete lists of gunwoners at every gun shop and legaly required to be on file with every FFL holder. In oregon there is also a list of every CCW holder in every sheriffs department. These lists will be easy to get when a complete gun ban happens). We are probably going to see a lot of Ruby Ridge/ WACO type situations. If this happens in your area PLEASE HELP YOUR NEIGHBORS!. HINT: when government sieges are happening, the thugs are completely concentrated and preoccupied on the siege and not what is going on around and behind them. Study SWAT habits and by god HELP your neighbors when this comes to your area. the media will demonize the siege victims, do not buy into their lies/propaganda!

If you discover a concentration camp in your area. Organize and LIBERATE it.

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