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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby eXpat » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 10:05:46

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') can't imagine what it must be like living in a country awash with firearms.


Maybe you should give it a try, just a few months, you may discover that is not the end of the world. There's an interesting article that studies the evolution of the anti-gun laws in the UK (link to the guncite website here).
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby undertaker » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 11:28:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('neocone', 'T')he legal infrastructure of the US has everything to do with the prison industrial system.

"A recent murder encapsulated the difficulties. After a 17-year-old was beaten up, his mother gave him a gun and told him to get revenge, and he killed the boy he fought with.

When police went to his home to investigate, they found the mother with cocaine and a family photo on display of the son with a gun in one hand and a fistful of cash in the other.

"For us to correct this, we have to look at the root of the problem. The root of the problem is our education system," Police Superintendent Warren Riley said in an interview."

The same lawyers who push for "tough crime" laws will push for firearms freedom and lower education funding...

Same as the malpractice lawyers pushing for lax standarts for physicians... so HMO can get cheap ones with fake diplomas!!!

Welcome to no value added, perpetum mobile type "capitalism"...


That's a heartwarming story. Is it true? Newspaper article?
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 11:32:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '[')b]A well regulated militia...

Bingo.

Do you consider heavily-armed street gangs to be "well-regulated militias"?
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby gnm » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 11:43:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '[')b]A well regulated militia...

Bingo.

Do you consider heavily-armed street gangs to be "well-regulated militias"?


Do you think making them illegal will convince the street gangs to disarm?

Oh, Soothsayer... I know most of them are not armed. Or at least they appear not to be. They probably have weapons readily available in their vans and such however. I have been there. Your police really are relatively freindly. But why would you consider it fine for them to have weapons and yet you no tbe allowed to. Are they any different than you? No such thing as a corrupt policeman?

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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby eXpat » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 13:48:20

I got it know! Police wants more firepower because they read Jim Zumbo in 'Outdoor Life' :)
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby jato » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 14:03:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'j')ato wrote:
A well regulated militia...


Bingo.

Do you consider heavily-armed street gangs to be "well-regulated militias"?


No, I call them criminals!


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Militia is the activity of one or more citizens organized to provide defense or paramilitary service, or those engaged in such activity. The word can have five somewhat different meanings:

Defense activity, as well as those engaged in it, when it is defense of the public, its territory, property, and laws.

The entire able-bodied male population of a community, town, or state, which can be called to arms against an invading enemy, to enforce the law, or to respond to a disaster.

A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.

An official reserve army, composed of citizen soldiers, also called an Army Reserve, National Guard, or State Defense Forces.

The national police forces in Russia, and other former CIS countries, or the former Soviet Union: Militsiya.

Central to the complete concept of "militia" as used by the American Founders in the second amendment of the Constitution was that it be "well-regulated", which meant well-trained and well-organized, but not necessarily by government. Thus, the term would not have been properly used to refer to an armed, unruly mob, but only to persons who behave in a responsible, law-enforcing mode, and who might act to control an armed, unruly mob as an "insurrection".


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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Kingcoal » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 14:12:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') can't imagine what it must be like living in a country awash with firearms.


Actually Sooth, you need a license to carry a gun concealed in the US. The license involves a criminal background check and a need. There is a "legal fence" of numerous laws surrounding guns outside of your own property. Gun transportation is heavily regulated. Having a loaded gun on your person or in your car without a license will get you arrested and charged. Being in possession of a gun during the commission of any crime will earn you a minimum mandatory sentence often exceeding 8 years. Convicted felons have no gun rights for the rest of their lives.

When lethal force is used, self defense is only a justification when all other possibilities (such as running away) have been exhausted.

In populated areas, very few people carry guns. If you are spotted with a gun in a public place, the police will be called and you will be interviewed at the very least. In rural areas, especially where hunting is going on, you will see people with hunting rifles occasionally.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Anthrobus » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 14:25:54

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I seem to recall there was another German who was very supportive of extremely strict gun control laws. What was his name......Oh yeah, Adolph Hitler. You are in very good company.



Aaah, these Hitler-allusions just because i'm from Germany are just so mean, ouch ouch, it hurts, stop it, your moral authority is just overwhelming...

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and the other sucker was an austrian, this just to make this point.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 14:30:08

Canada has nearly as many privately owned firearms as the US, though not nearly the variety. I've been around firearms all my life. I learned how to shoot on my 12th birthday (shh! it's a secret!) when my dad took me out to a friend's farm to kill some groundhogs.

I'm not afraid of firearms. What does concern me is some cranked-up punk kid pulling a gun on me because he needs more meth. I'm afraid I might have to use lethal force to defend myself against someone who's really just another victim of the cleptocracy, then turn around and lose a wrongful death suit against his baby momma.

No firearms legislation ever tabled can eliminate that threat. Ever.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby SoothSayer » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 15:23:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', '[')b]SoothSayer wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') can't imagine what it must be like living in a country awash with firearms.


Maybe you should give it a try, just a few months, you may discover that is not the end of the world. There's an interesting article that studies the evolution of the anti-gun laws in the UK (link to the guncite website here).

eXpat, many, many thanks for that link ... I found it ... and then lost it again ... a while back.

It's a great article ... and is now safely on my hard drive.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Loki » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 15:40:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anthrobus', 'A')aah, these Hitler-allusions just because i'm from Germany are just so mean, ouch ouch, it hurts, stop it, your moral authority is just overwhelming...

sucker

and the other sucker was an austrian, this just to make this point.

Well, if you lean left, then there are great freedom-lovers like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. They also hated the idea of privately owned firearms. Again, you are in splendid company. I know one shouldn't judge people by the company they keep, but in this case, I judge ye guilty.

And Hitler was a German citizen when he pushed the same gun control policies you support. Ouch, the truth sucks, huh sucker?
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby bshirt » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 16:50:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anthrobus', 'A')aah, these Hitler-allusions just because i'm from Germany are just so mean, ouch ouch, it hurts, stop it, your moral authority is just overwhelming...

sucker

and the other sucker was an austrian, this just to make this point.

Well, if you lean left, then there are great freedom-lovers like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. They also hated the idea of privately owned firearms. Again, you are in splendid company. I know one shouldn't judge people by the company they keep, but in this case, I judge ye guilty.

And Hitler was a German citizen when he pushed the same gun control policies you support. Ouch, the truth sucks, huh sucker?


Bingo.

Also, I would ten thousand times rather trust my own gun and my neighbors help versus some SS Gestapo "police" unit for any potential violent situation.

Does any reasonably intelligent person think the police wouldn't do anything against their own citizens if ordered to by a Hitler/Stalin/ Bush/ etc?

History shows they wouldn't even blink. If ever brought to justice, just as in Nurenburg, they'd simply plea "following orders".

Also, I find it sooo humorous to reading posts from Europeans (who's whole history consist of endlessly slaughtering each other) lecturing us about gun control.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Loki » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 17:19:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', 'A')lso, I find it sooo humorous to reading posts from Europeans (who's whole history consist of endlessly slaughtering each other) lecturing us about gun control.

It is entertaining, isn't it? :lol:
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby max_power29 » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 19:36:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '[')b]A well regulated militia...

Bingo.

Do you consider heavily-armed street gangs to be "well-regulated militias"?


yes, by the constitution, even street gangs are part of the "militia"

"...who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers."-George Mason

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) asserts that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."-Thomas Jefferson

"... whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them..."
Richard H. Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer 53, 1788

"The militia, who are in fact the effective part of the people at large, will render many troops quite unecessary. They will form a powerful check upon the regular troops, and will generally be sufficient to over-awe them"
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby max_power29 » Thu 22 Feb 2007, 20:09:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', '
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Bingo.

Also, I would ten thousand times rather trust my own gun and my neighbors help versus some SS Gestapo "police" unit for any potential violent situation.

Does any reasonably intelligent person think the police wouldn't do anything against their own citizens if ordered to by a Hitler/Stalin/ Bush/ etc?

History shows they wouldn't even blink. If ever brought to justice, just as in Nurenburg, they'd simply plea "following orders".

Also, I find it sooo humorous to reading posts from Europeans (who's whole history consist of endlessly slaughtering each other) lecturing us about gun control.

From: http://www.peakoilstore.com/forum/index ... 756.0.html

-"A friend of mine who happens to be a Federal Agent, plus a very sharp guy and with 2 kids and a wife, "probably" believes me when I speak of peak oil, its aftermath and my preps for it.

When I am finished, he just grins, pops the trunk on his Crown Vic, looks me in the eye and soberly tells me, "I'll take what I need." while referencing the ammo, arsenal and armor (A3) in his G-ride.

He's not going to waste any time or money on Post-PO preps.

Very unsettling attitude, especially since I am going to have what he needs, for a while.

His attitude won't be unique I fear."-Anasazi,

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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Cloud9 » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 17:12:40

I think New Orleans gave us a notion of what to expect.
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 10:28:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'D')rugs and alcohol are the fuel for violent crime,


No. The fact that they are illegal is the fuel for violent crime.

If drugs were legal, they would be so cheap that users would not break into your house in order to acquire them.

Legalizing drugs would free up billions of tax dollars on currently spent on drug enforcement and imprisonment for crimes of drug possession.

Which is more cruel and inhumane... allowing genomes that predispose people to chemical addiction to naturally die out, or imprisoning millions of people with such a predisposition, then imprisoning the multi-millions of their off-spring for generations to come?
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby Zardoz » Sat 03 Mar 2007, 02:59:49

Well, you can never have too much ammo:

More than 1 million rounds of ammunition, a cache of weapons and a tunnel were found at a man's home after an explosive fire that forced a neighborhood evacuation

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he man, whose identity was not released, was taken to a hospital where he will receive a psychological evaluation...
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby eXpat » Wed 07 Mar 2007, 07:04:43

You are welcome SoothSayer. Back to topic, more firepower and less training? (link), but then again, budget problems besides i supposed poorly trained people is more obedient to orders...
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Re: More firepower on the street

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 07 Mar 2007, 10:25:05

Every household needs one of these.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anthrobus', 'h')ey you NRA-Fans here, i have a suggestion to make:

just give every Iraqi a Firearm and all the hostilities in this uprooted society will cease immediately? And you could sell explosives in the USA unlimited too, the results might be, eh, fascinating.

I seem to recall there was another German who was very supportive of extremely strict gun control laws. What was his name......Oh yeah, Adolph Hitler. You are in very good company.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership', 'T')he Nazi Weapons Law of 1938 replaced a Law on Firearms and Ammunition of April 13, 1928. The 1928 law was enacted by a center-right, freely elected German government that wanted to curb "gang activity," violent street fights between Nazi party and Communist party thugs. All firearm owners and their firearms had to be registered. Sound familiar? "Gun control" did not save democracy in Germany. It helped to make sure that the toughest criminals, the Nazis, prevailed.

The Nazis inherited lists of firearm owners and their firearms when they 'lawfully' took over in March 1933. The Nazis used these inherited registration lists to seize privately held firearms from persons who were not "reliable." Knowing exactly who owned which firearms, the Nazis had only to revoke the annual ownership permits or decline to renew them.

In 1938, five years after taking power, the Nazis enhanced the 1928 law. The Nazi Weapons Law introduced handgun control. Firearms ownership was restricted to Nazi party members and other "reliable" people.

The 1938 Nazi law barred Jews from businesses involving firearms. On November 10. 1938 -- one day after the Nazi party terror squads (the SS) savaged thousands of Jews, synagogues and Jewish businesses throughout Germany -- new regulations under the Weapons Law specifically barred Jews from owning any weapons, even clubs or knives.

http://www.jpfo.org/GCA_68.htm


Life in the U.S. will be hell When Hitlery Klinton inherits these lists (there are complete lists of gunwoners at every gun shop and legaly required to be on file with every FFL holder. In oregon there is also a list of every CCW holder in every sheriffs department. These lists will be easy to get when a complete gun ban happens). We are probably going to see a lot of Ruby Ridge/ WACO type situations. If this happens in your area PLEASE HELP YOUR NEIGHBORS!. HINT: when government sieges are happening, the thugs are completely concentrated and preoccupied on the siege and not what is going on around and behind them. Study SWAT habits and by god HELP your neighbors when this comes to your area. the media will demonize the siege victims, do not buy into their lies/propaganda!

If you discover a concentration camp in your area. Organize and LIBERATE it.

Do not let America become completely nazified PLEASE!


Hitlery Klinton? Bush has already done this! Read below - moron.

Katrina Outrage

http://www.indianamilitia.org/outrage.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')uring this debacle, some units of the Army National Guard - particularly the Oklahoma ANG - were given illegal and unconstitutional orders to go door-to-door and confiscate the legally-owned firearms of law abiding gunowners. They should have refused these orders! The commander even acknowledged on national TV that he was disturbed by these orders that he thought it was wrong, but he also believed that he was compelled to carry out orders, no matter what.

Point is, you want unregistered guns. Join a gun club and buy from one of their shows. Just bring cash - no questions asked.
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