I can't believe all the sentimental shit I'm reading. I feel like I'm reading a stay-at-home mom forum. What happened with the doomers? Have they already thrown their computers away and are already on a farm?
The vast majority of children born today will have a miserable, depraved life, unless you are living a mostly self sustained existence far from population centers. Do you all need to rewatch Albert Bartlett's presentation on exponential growth?
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a womans biological drive
Re: a womans biological drive
by Falconoffury » Fri 16 Feb 2007, 03:51:45
"If humans don't control their numbers, nature will." -Pimentel
"There is not enough trash to go around for everyone," said Banrel, one of the participants in the cattle massacre.
"Bush, Bush, listen well: Two shoes on your head," the protesters chant
"There is not enough trash to go around for everyone," said Banrel, one of the participants in the cattle massacre.
"Bush, Bush, listen well: Two shoes on your head," the protesters chant
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Re: a womans biological drive
by AWPrime » Fri 16 Feb 2007, 08:26:09
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'T')he vast majority of children born today will have a miserable, depraved life
So what is different compared to the rest of human history?
Also telling the resposible ones not to have children is downright stupid. The overpopulation problem comes from people that produce more kids then nessasary. They should be your target group.
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Re: a womans biological drive
by Wednesday » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 04:56:11
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')4) To the woman who is "over 30" and who is insulted and chagrined when others tell her she'll get the urge - I wouldn't be convinced until you're about 45ish. There was a woman next door when I was a kid who had a child at age 43. You're what? 32? Come on, that's nothing by today's standards. Give your elders some credit. Thousands of women who have been exactly where you are, and say that when they were your age they thought they "knew" themselves, have later developed a pathological urge to breed. But you think you're special? You think that 8 billion years of evolution don't apply to you? hah! Call me in 15 years.
')4) To the woman who is "over 30" and who is insulted and chagrined when others tell her she'll get the urge - I wouldn't be convinced until you're about 45ish. There was a woman next door when I was a kid who had a child at age 43. You're what? 32? Come on, that's nothing by today's standards. Give your elders some credit. Thousands of women who have been exactly where you are, and say that when they were your age they thought they "knew" themselves, have later developed a pathological urge to breed. But you think you're special? You think that 8 billion years of evolution don't apply to you? hah! Call me in 15 years.
You have proved my previous point so very aggressively. You also make a few assumptions.
Human beings have the ability to reason and are not slaves to evolution.
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Re: a womans biological drive
by threadbear » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 11:20:58
Gideon, I would say that if a woman doesn't have deep desire to have children in her early thirties, particularly if she has a good mate, chances are, she won't change her mind. I hate to say it, but the most fulfilled women I know, don't have children and some of the most depressed women I've known, do have them. Those first 2 years of a child's life, are pretty insanely difficult, particularly if you have other children. "Children" has to be qualified too. There are some kids I've worked with who are so precious I would have gladly taken them home with me, if kidnapping wasn't a major offense 
But others? Oh, lord. Stubborn, aggressive, hyper-active--the poor parents. It's one long struggle interrupted only by sleep. And a lot of this is purely genetic-- it really isn't the parent's fault.
But others? Oh, lord. Stubborn, aggressive, hyper-active--the poor parents. It's one long struggle interrupted only by sleep. And a lot of this is purely genetic-- it really isn't the parent's fault.
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Re: a womans biological drive
by Zardoz » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 11:45:29
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '.')..And a lot of this is purely genetic-- it really isn't the parent's fault.
Amen. You never know what you're going to get. A friend of mine and I were talking about this just a month ago. We both know people who have had both great kids and real turkeys, even though they raised them exactly the same.
It's a crapshoot every time. You can get a genius saint, or a monstrous loser, or anything in between. There is absolutely no telling how they'll turn out, and don't kid yourself that you have any real control over it. The basic core personality of your offspring is not the result of how you raise them. Try as you might, things may very well turn out quite badly.
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Re: a womans biological drive
by threadbear » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 12:17:19
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '.')..And a lot of this is purely genetic-- it really isn't the parent's fault.
Amen. You never know what you're going to get. A friend of mine and I were talking about this just a month ago. We both know people who have had both great kids and real turkeys, even though they raised them exactly the same.
It's a crapshoot every time. You can get a genius saint, or a monstrous loser, or anything in between. There is absolutely no telling how they'll turn out, and don't kid yourself that you have any real control over it. The basic core personality of your offspring is not the result of how you raise them. Try as you might, things may very well turn out quite badly.
My brother was ungodly stubborn and willful when he was young.
It turned out he was intellectually gifted and artistic and he's made his living writing and doing political cartoons for newspapers for the last 25 years. A lot of crazy kids just have a lot going on in their heads, and are limited in their ability to express it. They improve with age, when the different parts of their brains mature and function more in synch. They are constantly overwhelmed and so they overwhelm everyone around them. It's best to look at them as "differently abled" rather than little monsters. A clinical approach takes so much of the blame off the parent AND the child.
But I feel for you. Kids who are stubborn AND hyper-active are beyond difficult. If I had one, it would put me over the edge, or I'd lose it and do God knows what.
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