[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')mm, can't they both be true? If a thief breaks into your house, could you not describe him both as a failure and a threat? A failure at his own life and a threat to yours? That's really not a strong arguement you are trying to make, clueless.

[jdmartin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oil_rocks', 'j')dmartin, what exactly is it that you believe?? would you clearly state your belief and provide a link or 2 supporting your belief? instead of just making dumb comments and disagreeing with whatever I post. All i said was that the shah of iran ended his life a) in disgrace, b) homeless and c) penniless. Its clearly documented in every historical account of the period. maybe the exact word "penniless" does not show up, but its clear from the reading that he did not leave a wealthy, healthy hero. This is basic, basic stuff man. come on!

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e dared to nationalize his own country's petroleum

[oil_rocks]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', 'D')on't bother posting a reply because I've got nothing left to say to you.

[UncoveringTruths]

Most of the cartoons begin at the beginning of the workday, in which Ralph and Sam go to a meadow where sheep graze, exchange chitchat, and punch into the same time clock. Work having officially begun, Ralph repeatedly tries to abduct the helpless sheep and invariably fails, either through his own ineptitude or the minimal efforts of Sam (who always brutally punishes Ralph for the attempt). At the end-of-the-day whistle, Sam and Ralph punch out their time cards, chat amiably, and leave, presumably only to come back the next day and do it all again.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')therwise, i'll just have to lump u in with all the other far lefty-wingnuts out there. no hard feelings, you are entitled to believe whatever u want.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UncoveringTruths', 'M')ost of the cartoons begin at the beginning of the workday, in which Ralph and Sam go to a meadow where sheep graze, exchange chitchat, and punch into the same time clock. Work having officially begun, Ralph repeatedly tries to abduct the helpless sheep and invariably fails, either through his own ineptitude or the minimal efforts of Sam (who always brutally punishes Ralph for the attempt). At the end-of-the-day whistle, Sam and Ralph punch out their time cards, chat amiably, and leave, presumably only to come back the next day and do it all again.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat's a great cartoon. There is one i am trying to remember with some animal (cat?, bird?) yanking the chain of the dog and gets eaten or something.

[Ingenuity_Gap]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oil_rocks', 'c')lueless, you continue to make me look like the smart one of the group

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') just can't believe this thread is still on.

[oil_rocks]

Thanks guys. i have enjoyed this free exchange of ideas. Its kinda funny though. if you look through the past couple of pages, my posts are filled with well reasoned thoughts backed up by links to resources. All of your posts are a bunch of name calling, unfunny jokes and bizzare conspiracy theories devoid of any evidence whatsoever.

any unbiased observer would have to admit that i have clearly won the debate. But thanks for your efforts. you gave it your best shots.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')ny unbiased observer would have to admit that i have clearly won the debate. But thanks for your efforts. you gave it your best shots.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'c')lueless wrote:
Robert Baer
don't know him.

[oil_rocks]

I don't mind debating you guys, but you aren't putting up a defense or providing any evidence as to your beliefs. Name calling and saying something is true "because everyone knows it" is not very convincing.

I have stated that the shah left disgraced, homeless and penniless, yet some on here are convinced he left as some sort of wealthy hero even though they have yet to provide one ounce of evidence to support it.

I also stated the today’s brightest and greatest scientists are not being fooled today by sadaam hussein, and yet others disagree without being able to explain why. The question I would ask is, "if you, with your lack of expertise, know sadaam is fooling you, why wouldn't the scientists know that he is fooling them?" <-- great question.

I also stated that a country can be both a failure and a threat. and very easily. just because someone or something is stupid does not mean that they can't hurt you. If you really do hold to your statement, then i would like to hear how you would describe the bush administration, since it can only be a failure OR a threat, then it can't be both. so which is it?

As for peak oil, I clearly pointed out that the amount of obtainable oil is tied to the will of the people. This is a fact. Under certain leadership, we would be able to extract more oil than under others. You may think this isn't the case or even wish it wasn't, but sorry it is. So that means you cannot measure the amount of obtainable oil without knowing the will of the people trying to dig it up. So any calculations that omit this variable are not going to be accurate. and any calculation that includes it will not be reliable, since we do not at this time know the full will of the people. (Just pointing out how there are more unknowns than knowns in this science)

I also stated how the price of oil will in fact influence the demand for it, and i've never seen any peak oil theory take that into account. If you have, please send me a link. This idea is common sense, but i provided proof of it by showing that the rate of increase in oil consumption actually dropped in the past couple of years since the price spiked up. This is basics people.

I also pointed out the obvious fact that new technologies will inevitably come up in the next 100 years. So if you start drawing out 100 year projections on paper and simply ASSUME that we will be using the exact same technology 100 years from now, well then your projections are going to be off. that's a fact. how much will they be off? no one knows, but u can be sure they will in fact be off.

so i have clearly stated my beliefs and the reasoning behind them and i'm sure it will be met with a bunch of name calling and witless jokes, so have at it. Maybe your name calling jokes will be even funnier than before. Lets count how many times the word Troll comes up.

[jdmartin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oil_rocks', 'I') don't mind debating you guys, but you aren't putting up a defense or providing any evidence as to your beliefs. Name calling and saying something is true "because everyone knows it" is not very convincing.

I have stated that the shah left disgraced, homeless and penniless, yet some on here are convinced he left as some sort of wealthy hero even though they have yet to provide one ounce of evidence to support it.

I also stated the today’s brightest and greatest scientists are not being fooled today by sadaam hussein, and yet others disagree without being able to explain why. The question I would ask is, "if you, with your lack of expertise, know sadaam is fooling you, why wouldn't the scientists know that he is fooling them?" <-- great question.

I also stated that a country can be both a failure and a threat. and very easily. just because someone or something is stupid does not mean that they can't hurt you. If you really do hold to your statement, then i would like to hear how you would describe the bush administration, since it can only be a failure OR a threat, then it can't be both. so which is it?

As for peak oil, I clearly pointed out that the amount of obtainable oil is tied to the will of the people. This is a fact. Under certain leadership, we would be able to extract more oil than under others. You may think this isn't the case or even wish it wasn't, but sorry it is. So that means you cannot measure the amount of obtainable oil without knowing the will of the people trying to dig it up. So any calculations that omit this variable are not going to be accurate. and any calculation that includes it will not be reliable, since we do not at this time know the full will of the people. (Just pointing out how there are more unknowns than knowns in this science)

I also stated how the price of oil will in fact influence the demand for it, and i've never seen any peak oil theory take that into account. If you have, please send me a link. This idea is common sense, but i provided proof of it by showing that the rate of increase in oil consumption actually dropped in the past couple of years since the price spiked up. This is basics people.

I also pointed out the obvious fact that new technologies will inevitably come up in the next 100 years. So if you start drawing out 100 year projections on paper and simply ASSUME that we will be using the exact same technology 100 years from now, well then your projections are going to be off. that's a fact. how much will they be off? no one knows, but u can be sure they will in fact be off.

so i have clearly stated my beliefs and the reasoning behind them and i'm sure it will be met with a bunch of name calling and witless jokes, so have at it. Maybe your name calling jokes will be even funnier than before. Lets count how many times the word Troll comes up.