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') Those overwhelming feelings of affection and fatherly love will kick in for the infant, no doubt, but they may not last through the child's adolescence.
they do indeed. Grifter take note. Much of what happens is already coded into our primate genetics. The example was given by Prairiemule of the drivers license. Hell with that, the urge to copulate is the real one and it hits a teen boy like a ton of bricks, 'no mind' is the expression used earlier and it fits perfectly. A woman's urge to reproduce is, I would imagine, much like that, except it hits much later in life if it hasn't already been accomplished. These differences between the sexes are a fascinating subject. (btw, my feelings have survived the 'adolescence test'. My parents failed it and I always wondered if I would too. Nope, say my kids)
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Re: a womans biological drive
by PenultimateManStanding » Wed 14 Feb 2007, 20:41:59
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Re: a womans biological drive
by Wednesday » Wed 14 Feb 2007, 21:47:39
As a childless woman I have been met with shock and condescending assurances that I will "change my mind" and that there is "plenty of time" when I truthfully state that I have no desire to bear children.
I would never consider interrogating a woman about her decision to have a child, what is it that makes people feel free to question my decision? I am over 30 years old, I know myself very well and I just don't feel the urge. This has nothing to do with peak oil, it has everything to do with how I choose to take on responsibility.
Don't underestimate societal pressure, it's very real. You wouldn't believe the things people have said to me on this topic. Men are no exception. In fact, they may be the worst offenders.
As our civilization winds down I expect that there will be plenty of orphans and foundlings that will be available to a good home, should I somehow "change my mind". However, I will never regret my decision not to have a biological child.
I love my niece and nephews with all my heart and I really do enjoy the company of other people's children. My very personal decision still stands.
I would never consider interrogating a woman about her decision to have a child, what is it that makes people feel free to question my decision? I am over 30 years old, I know myself very well and I just don't feel the urge. This has nothing to do with peak oil, it has everything to do with how I choose to take on responsibility.
Don't underestimate societal pressure, it's very real. You wouldn't believe the things people have said to me on this topic. Men are no exception. In fact, they may be the worst offenders.
As our civilization winds down I expect that there will be plenty of orphans and foundlings that will be available to a good home, should I somehow "change my mind". However, I will never regret my decision not to have a biological child.
I love my niece and nephews with all my heart and I really do enjoy the company of other people's children. My very personal decision still stands.
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
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Re: a womans biological drive
by Falconoffury » Wed 14 Feb 2007, 22:58:03
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat's how I look at it. No need for extra stress in my life. If my wife wants kids, I'll give them to her.
You know, don't even prepare for peak oil. Just run with the sheep herd. You'll be fine.
Anyone who is fine and dandy with having kids now should look at Nigeria. The country has 130,000,000 people. That little country, less than the size of Texas has over 40% of the population of the whole USA. Oh, and do a little research about their living conditions. Say hello to the future of your overshoot philosophy. Go ahead. Have all the kids you want. Just don't bullshit yourself about the world you are bringing them into. I think it's very generous to keep a soul out of the world that is coming.
Will man ever overcome his own primal, destructive nature? I don't know, but I refuse to be part of the problem, no matter how token my contribution is. I believe in the potential of man, and I'm not going to let some primal instincts stop me. I'm stronger than that. I'm worth more.
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Re: a womans biological drive
by jesus_of_suburbia_old » Thu 15 Feb 2007, 02:06:34
I'd just hire a skinhead to kick her in the uterus.
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Re: a womans biological drive
by frankthetank » Thu 15 Feb 2007, 03:08:08
Ive read no responses, but knowing women, i'd go with a big fat NO.
Its like its built right into the genes or something, to have one. If you could train it fast to be your personal bodyguard/PO researcher, it might not be bad deal...maybe you can use it for subcontract work (picking apples) then you can sit around and post here.
Its like its built right into the genes or something, to have one. If you could train it fast to be your personal bodyguard/PO researcher, it might not be bad deal...maybe you can use it for subcontract work (picking apples) then you can sit around and post here.
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Re: a womans biological drive
by Zardoz » Thu 15 Feb 2007, 03:40:06
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '.')..my feelings have survived the 'adolescence test'...
Mine are on life support. The prognosis is poor.
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Re: a womans biological drive
by WildRose » Thu 15 Feb 2007, 11:21:29
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '.')..my feelings have survived the 'adolescence test'...
Mine are on life support. The prognosis is poor.
I think most parents could relate to that statement. You love your children, but you don't like them in some of the stages they go through. My daughter (turning 21 this year) had some testy years. I remember going out for long walks with her and arguing about all kinds of stuff. She has become a lovely young woman, albeit still very headstrong, but quite the humanitarian. She doesn't think she wants kids, though that may change. I told her she must make up her own mind about that. My 15-year-old son, however, is the kind of person you could imagine rolling around on the floor with four kids pouncing on him. My youngest son is more like his dad, quieter and a deep thinker, and I think it's likely he'll end up being a family man.
Kids really change your life. I think my husband would say that the role of father is one he grew into. We had our first child and it was an adjustment, even though we both knew we wanted kids before we were married and had seven years together after marriage before our first was born. Then the second one came, and the third, and things got easier in some ways but you have to be ready to make sacrifices of your time, both personal time and couple time. You also should be prepared to have to spend money on the kids' needs rather than your own. Still, I can't imagine being without the kids. My husband and I grew into the couple you see with a van full of kids and their friends, going to the swimming pool or the basketball court; of course, that wouldn't be for everyone, some prefer a much quieter existence!
It's a very personal choice, whether to have kids. However, I think kids deserve to be welcomed into the world by both parents, if both are around. By that I mean if you're going to agree to be a parent, you should also agree to the time and commitment it takes to raise the child, emotionally, financially, everything it takes.
Hope I haven't come off as too preachy. I really love my kids. I wish you the best, Grifter.
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