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History of Fuel Efficiency
Re: History of Fuel Efficiency
by smallpoxgirl » Sun 28 Jan 2007, 14:05:13
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'S')PG, you miss the point altogether.
It's my thread dang it. I know what point I was making better than you do.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ut a modern engine in a Model T chassis without power steering, air conditioning, smog pumps, etc,; use the much more efficient drivetrain, tires, bearings, etc we have today, and I guarantee you will get more miles per gallon than the original equipment.
No argument. I didn't say that more efficient cars couldn't be made. I didn't say that more efficient cars, aren't on the market. I said that cars made today are on average less efficient than they were in the 1908. Certainly consumer choices are the major component of why that's so. I'm not trying to play pin the blame on the car company. I'm just saying that we like to pretend like cars are getting more efficient. In fact what we did was got rid of the fins and the big block motors, but we never even got back to the efficiency level of the Model T.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y point is that lighter, less powerful cars were available, but most people did not buy them. Like I have bolded above, the driver/buyer is the key to the economy of a vehicle.
No argument with any of that. I'm not trying to argue about who is the cause of it, but the fact remains that cars are on average less efficient today than they were in 1908.
"We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Re: History of Fuel Efficiency
by smallpoxgirl » Sun 28 Jan 2007, 14:21:24
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drew', 'Y')ou are arguing for the sake of arguing, and aren't winning.
This isn't an argument. You and Monte just keep trying to sidetrack my thread. I don't disagree with anything you've said. Only it's pertinence to this thread. You are setting up and knocking down strawmen left and right.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')What do you define as a starting point? The Model T?
Yes. I think that if you are going to talk about automotive evolution, the Model T is the place to start. Starting in 1950 gives you a skewed perception of the numbers.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ine, it gets 24 mpg, and carried 4 people. The two corrolas I cited get 30 and 42 mpg, and carry 4, or maybe 5 people in a pinch. How is that not improvement?
It's not an improvement because most people aren't driving them, or not enough people are driving them to balance out the guy in the Ford Expedition.
"We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
