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Re: Got 42 on Beck's scale of depression

Unread postby EnergyHog » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 22:10:21

I thought feeling this way was somewhat common?

That's what all the pills are for.

Or beer, or whatever the preference.
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Unread postby billp » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 22:13:48

Let's try this reply again.

Media, even peak oil, is an attempt at mind control.

Drugs try to alter reality.

Take the army.

http://www.prosefights.org/banderet/banderet.htm

You may feel less anxious in combat?
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Unread postby billp » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 22:28:32

beer is time-tested for success. without too many adverse effects ... other than gaining weight.

Look for corona bottle at bottom of page.

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Unread postby billp » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 23:27:10

I looked profile of

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http://www.prisonplanet.com

Interesting.


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Re: Got 42 on Beck's scale of depression

Unread postby dwenergyman » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 04:26:06

Please listen to the wolfman of depression(been there done that). It is very important to follow these instructions to the tee, do not waver because there could be consequences if you do.

See your medical general practitioner ASAP and describe your condition and concerns to them asking for a referral to a specialist in this field. Do not ask for or take any anti-depressant drugs at this time. Doing so could be a bad mistake.

Intervention by a compatibale talk therapist is critical and must be done the sooner the better. You may not find the first one compatible for you so do not give up if that is the case, get another referral from you GP doctor and start again.

If it is recommended that you start taking anti-depressants do not take them at full dose until until you find out how you system reacts to them. I suggest making them only a last resort from my personal experience.
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Re: Got 42 on Beck's scale of depression

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 09:57:42

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')Zoloft is the most zombifying drug I have ever consumed.
With the right dosage you wont give a shit about much of anything.
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Funny, I pretty much dont give a shit about anything already, drug-free.
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Re: Got 42 on Beck's scale of depression

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 10:34:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zberry', 'Y')ou're not alone! There are lots of us out there and our numbers are growing!
There is a website called Peakoilblues.com
Jason Bradford had an excellent interview with the doctor who runs the site. Peak Oil Blues Interview
One thing that I remember from the interview that I will mention here: She said that one of the biggest problems right now is ignorance in her own profession. Doctors, because of their ignorance about peak oil, are liable to blame the wrong thing (abusive parents, whatever), when in reality, your reactions are very understandable given our present predicament.


Zberry, Fishman, my depression has nothing to do with peakoil. In fact I'm looking forward for it. There is probably a reason why I want to go to war. I remember myself in Decemeber of 2001 in Argentina right in the middle of all action at presidential palace in Buenos Aires. Tearing gases, water pumps, fogatas, bricks, lead pipes, rubber bullets , lead bullets ocassionally, those cops almost in medieval armory, cavalry, clashes between people and police ancient-Rome style, -- I felt happy there. I was thinking I was there becouse I got money stuck in the bank, but I guess thats just an excuse.

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Re: Got 42 on Beck's scale of depression

Unread postby blukatzen » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 14:47:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'N')o I am not suicidal at all and I think its the silliest thing to do, but, how to explain.. I'm not afraid of death and I dont really care very much about having a life-threatening situation. In fact I miss having some risk factor in my life. I used to travel a lot, getting and loosing a bunch of different jobs, having certain hopes and goals in my life and now its all gone. I am better than ever financially but I'm stuck with job I hate which is also completely unsecure, constant arguments with my wife, lack of any exitement and all that in a small grey town in the middle of nowhere of an unfun state, with a good perspective of spending the rest of my life here just becouse my in-laws live nearby .
I am just dying every day a little by little hoping for some changes, for a few drops of freedom or whatever..
Thank you very much SPG for answering..


Sounds to me like you should
1. First, define what is "fun" to you. Then set perimeters. Define what you WILL accept and what you won't. Stick to this.

2. If there is no hope of a peaceful fulfilling relationship, get a divorce, and move out. Make plans to support your children, if there are any. They should not have to "pay" for your decisions, and neither should society.
That said, moving on with your life, if it fits into the perimeters YOU set in #1, will get you towards your goals much quicker. Sometimes being with the wrong partner is suicidal in itself. I am glad that I got out of a bad first marriage myself, and am very happy in my second marriage that DOES "fit". And even if I did stay single, I still would have been happier than being in that first marriage. Why go thru life wearing the left shoe on the right foot?
You will just stay in misery and KEEP YOURSELF from being in the pro-active situation you need to BE IN. Getting OUT of it quicker means getting TO the place you need to in.
The idea of "marriage" does not work for some people either. You maybe one of the people who are best alone, and mobile. That does not mean you can't have fulfilling relationships, it means that you may not be able or want to be in a place to "commit" to being IN that place for a lifetime. Or maybe you have to find another wanderer who has similar perimeters that you do, and would make a perfect "fit". (however rare that is). If you DO find someone like that, treasure them, for they are a jewel!

3. Based on #1, get a new job/career that you WILL be happy in. Period. Train for it now if you must re-invent yourself into that career. Best idea is to make your new career/job that will not get sourced out of the N. American marketplace, and will support your dreams and financial obligations and at least be PeakOil friendly.

4. Good luck with setting your perimeters, taking actions, and living your life. Live DELIBERATELY!
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Re: Got 42 on Beck's scale of depression

Unread postby oowolf » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 19:27:21

"42" What is your personality type? Are you a Borderline?
http://www.stanford.edu/~corelli/borderline.html
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Re: Got 42 on Beck's scale of depression

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 20:20:58

8O I'd say its close, exept for self-damaging, confusions with sexuality and such, and some more stuff. So what does it mean, I'm crazy or what?
It says overthere that its 10-14% of population, may be its not that bad?
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Re: Got 42 on Beck's scale of depression

Unread postby hi-fiver » Tue 23 Jan 2007, 23:18:13

Justinfrankl... you're comments are right-on. You probably paid good money to come to those cogent conclusions. Anybody with a smidgen of empathay cannot be happy in todays world, unless you are an expert in compartmentalization. I, like millions of other Americans suffering from the contempary "angst" - feeling depressed, but not having any idea why you feel depressed, took the silver bullet of depression (one of many), called lexapro. During the initial two weeks of taking this medication, I felt a definate increase in anxiety, but kept up my meds , as this was an anticipated reaction. After the 28 days "stabilization period", and continuing for another four months, I really could not feel a damn response, either positive or negitive. But when I decided to stop taking the meds (gradually) I felt like my brain was a 1950's tv with bad reception/my mind kept on flickering like I had bad recption. This lasted for about two weeks. but it was definately disturbing,and on top of that, I was getting off of two weeks of night shift. I am now a firm beleiver in any "non-pharma" treatment of depression, especially if it involves "mutually excepted" hand to body to mind contact.
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Is Exercise the Best Drug for Depression?

Unread postby Graeme » Sat 19 Jun 2010, 19:15:00

Is Exercise the Best Drug for Depression?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')t his research clinic in Dallas, psychologist Jasper Smits is working on a somewhat unorthodox treatment for depression. It is not yet widely accepted, but his treatment is free and has no side effects. Compare that with antidepressant drugs, which cost Americans $10 billion each year and have many common side effects: sleep disturbances, nausea, tremors, changes in body weight.

This intriguing new treatment? It's nothing more than exercise.

That physical activity is crucial to good health — both mental and physical — is nothing new. As early as the 1970s and '80s, observational studies showed that Americans who exercised were not only less likely to be depressed than those who did not, but were also less likely become depressed in the future.

In 1999, Duke University researchers demonstrated in a randomized controlled trial that depressed adults who participated in an aerobic exercise plan improved as much as those treated with sertraline, the drug that was marketed as Zoloft, and was earning Pfizer more than $3 billion annually before its patent expired in 2006.


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Re: Is Exercise the Best Drug for Depression?

Unread postby Roy » Sun 20 Jun 2010, 07:24:28

In my personal experience, it works very well.

When I stop getting regular exercise (cardio during the week, hard work on the weekends) my mood is less good, and is prone to more violent swings up and down and the baseline emotional state gets lower or more depressed. When I do get regular exercise, I have more energy, my mood is better, and I feel younger -- ie less aches/pains associated with normal aging and wear and tear from a vigorous youth.

Human bodies are built to move. Not to sit in a chair all day long. doing so causes all sorts of known health problems and I believe it can affect mental health as well.

I don't know if it is the BEST drug, but knowing what I know about big pharm, I'd rather find natural alternatives to their prescriptions whenever possible.

Trying to explain the above to sedentary person is like trying to explain PO to a home builder. It doesn't compute.
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Re: Is Exercise the Best Drug for Depression?

Unread postby Narz » Sun 20 Jun 2010, 12:08:28

Exercise & having people who love & support & listen to you.

And having fun things to do.

And not feeling stuck/trapped.

Give me those four things & I never will get depressed (note : I have a history of severe depression going back 17 years so I'm not taking it lightly)
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Re: Is Exercise the Best Drug for Depression?

Unread postby Roy » Mon 21 Jun 2010, 16:19:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')How many little boys are put on Ritalin and turned into addicts at an early age because they have been diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder? It really stinks. Humans, especially males, are animals programmed to be curious, to sniff things out, to hunt, to keep moving. I have no idea how folks can sit still at a desk all day. It's nuts. Oh wait. I know the answer--Prozac and diet pills :)


Toss in a little PO.com :lol:

I agree with what you wrote above.
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Re: Is Exercise the Best Drug for Depression?

Unread postby Narz » Mon 21 Jun 2010, 21:58:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', 'H')uman bodies are built to move. Not to sit in a chair all day long. doing so causes all sorts of known health problems and I believe it can affect mental health as well.

How many little boys are put on Ritalin and turned into addicts at an early age because they have been diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder?

I was for one. Was on it from age 6 or 7 to age 11. That was only the beginning, by the time I was 23 I was on over twenty different psych drugs (at various times). But I haven't been on any since. :)
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Re: Is Exercise the Best Drug for Depression?

Unread postby mgibbons19 » Mon 21 Jun 2010, 23:39:35

I think you nailed it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'E')xercise & having people who love & support & listen to you.

And having fun things to do.

And not feeling stuck/trapped.

Give me those four things & I never will get depressed (note : I have a history of severe depression going back 17 years so I'm not taking it lightly)
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