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Re: psychologists see a link between abuse and depression
by firestarter » Tue 02 Jan 2007, 21:20:04
EJ, Depression is VERY REAL!, especially in abused children, women or anyone who has been on the receiving end of maltreatment. It's a NORMAL response in thinking beings. Yes, it should be dealt with, but not in ways that exacerbate the problem, if possible. Psychotherapy has proven beneficial. Likewise, religious experience. For others, alcohol, exercise, illicit drug use, sex, and so on have been effective bromides. Where I draw the line is with pharmaceutical intervention, especially with children. If consenting adults want to introduce brain disabling and damaging agents into thier bodies to blunt reality on the advice of their doctors then that's their business, foolish and physiologically damaging as that decision may be. Abused children need more, much more, than chemical straihtjackets pushed on them by the pseudo scientific claptrap industry that is housed in psychaitry and their proxies in the pharaceutical business.
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Re: psychologists see a link between abuse and depression
by gw » Tue 02 Jan 2007, 21:34:43
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'Y')ou have a problem with corporal punishment? The Bible? My name? All of them.
A swat on the ass is the best way to get through to children at some ages.
A swat on the ass is the best way to get through to children at some ages.
As an adult, Solomon's son Rehoboam, was vicious, unfeeling, inconsiderate to his subjects, had no regard for human rights, and was widely hated. He barely escaped assassination at the hands of his own people.
Perhaps the Bible's true message here is:
* If you don't want your children to grow up to be like Rehoboam, then you should not follow Solomon's parenting style, as it is accurately described in the Bible.
* You should avoid using spanking or any other form of corporal punishment.
These conclusions seem to agree with recent studies which indicate that one out of every three boys has a genetic problem that will almost certainly cause him to engage in criminal or anti-social acts later in life if he is physically abused. It is unknown what level of corporal punishment will push these children over the edge and make them become violent and aggressive as adults.
A book titled "Beating the Devil Out of Them: Corporal Punishment in American Families and Its Effect on Children" by Murray A. Straus and Denise A. Donnelly, gives an excellent summary of recent studies into the effect of spanking on children, both at the time and later in adulthood.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Murray A. Straus and Denise A. Donnelly', '"')...in the longer run, spanking has no measurable beneficial effects at all, and is associated with a variety of long term negative effects. The more children are spanked, the more they assault siblings and other children. The more children are spanked, the more their rates of age-adjusted antisocial behavior increase over time. Spanking in childhood is associated with higher levels of alcoholism, depression, masochistic fantasy, and suicidal ideation later in life."
Another book by P. Greven suggests that "depression often is a delayed response to the suppression of childhood anger...from being physically hit and hurt..." [by parents]...Melancholy and depression have been persistent themes in the family history, religious experience, and emotional lives of Puritians, evangelicals, fundamentalists and Pentecostals for centuries....The first assaults on children's bodies and spirits generally commences before conscious memory can recall them later."
See Child corporal punishment: Spanking - results of studies
On the other hand, many Christians will argue that because the Bible is inerrant, Solomon's parenting recommendations reflect God's expectations. Thus conservative Protestant, Fundamentalist and Evangelical parents are obligated to "beatest him with the rod" as the preferred form of discipline.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', ' ') But nobody I have ever known thinks that flailing on a child with a stick is a good way to discipline.
And unlike you, I personally know people who are exactly like this that have children with serious issues. So to answer your question, yes, I do believe corporal punishment is wrong, very wrong.
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Re: psychologists see a link between abuse and depression
by Z » Wed 03 Jan 2007, 14:28:06
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', 'i')t is a mistake to view depressed feelings or even severely depressed feelings as a 'disease'. There is no reason to define grief, dejection, or melancholia as a 'disease' simply because it is severe or lasting. in psychiatry, few, fi any of the problems labeled depression are proven to originate in the brain and depression is never defined by an objective physical finding, such as a blood test or brain scan. Attempts have been made to find physical markers for depression, the equivalent of lab tests that indicate liver disease or a recent heart attack. Despite decades of research, thousands of research studies, and hundreds of millions of dollars in expense, no marker for depression has been found.
Depressed feelings and depression are two different things. Everybody experiences the first ones, and that in turn leads to the fact that lots of depressions are not treated immediately, sometimes with tragic results. I know the difference between the two, because I have experienced both. Depressed feelings won't prevent you from eating, sleeping or even washing for days. Depression will.
The problem with psychiatric diseases is that, since the brain is a dynamic organ, it is dependent on the environment. It becomes pathologic the moment it prevents you from conducting a normal life : depressed feelings won't but depression probably will.
It is wrong to say that 'markers' haven't been found. Some antidepressants target a specific neurotransmitter ( serotonin ) which is found lacking in depressed persons. The lack of physical traces is mostly due to the fact that the brain is still mostly terra incognita. And you don't stick huge needles in people's brains without a good reason.
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