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Re: Anger, fear and obsession

Unread postby NEOPO » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 15:52:37

Anger is a Gift.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')Anyone can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right person at the right time, and for the right purpose and in the right way - that is not within everyone's power and that is not easy.”
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Anger is as Buddha says it is:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.”


Yet in the hands of those who are capable of enduring the great heat and pain it can be used to forge Determination, Courage and Honor.

Fear is the Enemy within our own Mind!
Before letting go of that fiery coal allow it to burn away all of your fears.....let it go.
If it can be taken away from us then we never really had it.
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Who said there was a line to cross? :)
Obsession has a spiritual connotation and if one considers that throughout all religions not all spirits were considered malevolent.....well then.
I know of at least 10 very wise people who seemed to be obsessed with the spirit of freedom, fairness and equality and it could be said that most of the world attempts yet fails miserably to follow the lead of at least one of those 10 people who were again completely obsessed with the "spirit".
From time to time another one will pop up and outshine us all.

Lets end this rant with a little punk ditty :)
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Re: Anger, fear and obsession

Unread postby threadbear » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 16:13:13

Interesting take on the great religions, Raphael.

And the quote from Aristotle is quite striking, Neopo. This is where a certain level of discernment comes in, though, and I'm speaking for myself here. If I'm angry about some underlying issue, I can easily strike out at anything that bares even a slight resemblance to it. Once I'm in fight or flight, I can lose rational perspective. It does beat being depressed, as your quote from Buddha describes. It's a matter of proper channelling and also being able to guage how much "spontaneous" anger others around you can handle.

This is interpersonal and also cultural issue. WASP culture is remarkably uptight, too uptight for my blood. I actually prefer hanging out with people from other cultures, as they seem to be able to blow up in a supportive atmosphere. :lol:

Obsession can take effective or self destructive forms. I can think of several self destructive forms.
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Re: Anger, fear and obsession

Unread postby NEOPO » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 16:43:01

Raph is too weird to live and to rare to die :)

"There is no moderation in the pursuit of justice"
Who said that?

Well this may explain things abit dear as after 35 years on this planet I finally realize that I am a "piker" :-D
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Re: Anger, fear and obsession

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 03:08:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '&')quot;There is no moderation in the pursuit of justice"
Who said that?
That would be Barry Goldwater. "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vise and let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is not virtue"
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Re: Anger, fear and obsession

Unread postby NEOPO » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 04:52:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '&')quot;There is no moderation in the pursuit of justice" Who said that?
That would be Barry Goldwater. "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vise and let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is not virtue"
Thanks, us pikeh's aint too book smart :)
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Re: Fear mongering

Unread postby Subjectivist » Sun 30 Mar 2014, 06:57:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')'m accused of fear mongering when trying to discuss Peak Oil. I'm told alternatives will become practical when oil reaches a certain price, and that there won't be any sudden change, just a gradual decline in supply which will be replaced by alternatives. I'm not seeing any numbers to back that up, but what can I say to the optimists? I wish they were right but I'm not seeing the numbers to back up their claims...


This is something I have been struggling wih lately. My wife understands and accepts peak oil, but yhinks it is foolish to waste so much effort worrying about things totally beyond my control instead of focusing on he here and now. I can even see her point from a practical point of view, but am having a hard time following her advice. Anyone have a good suggestion or making the mental leap from excessive worry to just enough worry to stay motivated?
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Re: Fear mongering

Unread postby Ibon » Sun 30 Mar 2014, 07:59:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', ' ')Anyone have a good suggestion or making the mental leap from excessive worry to just enough worry to stay motivated?


It is an existential dilemma and very very much related to the human condition of being a sentient mortal who will one day pass. And yet we live our lives not allowing the fear of death to dominate. Part of the solution is to make your peace with your own eventual death.... once there you can accept the fate of modern civilization and let it go and enjoy and deal with the moment as your wife suggests. But it's more than acceptance, its also about wanting to do something about peak oil or overshoot or the fate of our industrial civilization, to try to mitigate. And that leads to the next step; that wise saying about knowing the difference between what you can change and accepting what you cannot.

You have to work on being mindful and willfull about not being obsessive about this topic. Which then leads to the 3rd point.....Only one or two drinks of peak oil per day otherwise you become an peak oil alcoholic.....most wives, friends and kids don't like that.....
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Re: Anger, fear and obsession

Unread postby Pops » Sun 30 Mar 2014, 14:14:57

Sub, it's is definitely difficult when couples have different points of view. For the most part I see people here saying they - the worrier - give in to the spouse who is less concerned. I've always been lucky that my wife puts up with most of my baloney and goes along with a smile. One of the reasons she finally acquiesced to moving out of CA was that our kids (or kids-in-law) had all enlisted and were out here in the midwest.

That's changed now and there is a new great-grand-baby back in CA - I probably don't need to go into the details but suffice to say we are in a transitional quandry. CA is not a long term solution for me, and being a long distance from her relatives turns out not to be a long term solution for her, so things are in flux.

When a buddy would have relation problems in the past I always opined: "Yeah but does the good outweigh the bad?" If you can't do the things you think should be done then either do the things you can and try to feel good about it or toss in the towel on one or the other.
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