[jupiters_release]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'T')he price of power is money, obviously. However, big business is not a complete monolith that walks in lock-step. Industries such as agriculture and disaster insurance (and reinsurance) that are presently taking a hit from global warming, can be expected to contribute to the Gore campaign, along with the usual Democratic constituencies.

And face it folks, Gore's the best chance we have. No other credible candidate is giving this stuff more than a few sentences. Gore is also a good bet just on sheer probability: he won in 2000, he's gotten bigger since then (he just sold out a football stadium gig in the midwest, 12,000 people bought tickets to his upcoming speech), and the man who stole the election from him is now in the 30% approval range and dropping daily as he keeps shooting himself in the foot in Iraq.

It would not surprise me if Gore was speaking to business leaders behind the scenes. And don't forget, these are smart & educated people who, unlike the core Bush constituency, believe in science.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'T')he price of power is money, obviously. However, big business is not a complete monolith that walks in lock-step. Industries such as agriculture and disaster insurance (and reinsurance) that are presently taking a hit from global warming, can be expected to contribute to the Gore campaign, along with the usual Democratic constituencies.

And face it folks, Gore's the best chance we have. No other credible candidate is giving this stuff more than a few sentences. Gore is also a good bet just on sheer probability: he won in 2000, he's gotten bigger since then (he just sold out a football stadium gig in the midwest, 12,000 people bought tickets to his upcoming speech), and the man who stole the election from him is now in the 30% approval range and dropping daily as he keeps shooting himself in the foot in Iraq.

It would not surprise me if Gore was speaking to business leaders behind the scenes. And don't forget, these are smart & educated people who, unlike the core Bush constituency, believe in science.

[jupiters_release]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '9')/11 was pure neo-con. Had Gore gotten in, it simply would not have happened.

[Revi]

I think that the chance of an oil shock is pretty good, considering all the wierd stuff going on. Have you noticed that Iran is back in the nightly news? That's how they get us ready for the next bit of nonsense they are about to pull. Have everybody watch the news about Iran and how they are making IED's. Isn't it the Sunnis who are planting them? Have you heard of the Shia doing that sort of thing? Anyway, I can see this whole thing getting out of hand quickly, the price of oil shooting back up and the oil shock starting pretty soon. It might not, but there is at least a 20% chance!

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '9')/11 was pure neo-con. Had Gore gotten in, it simply would not have happened.

[jupiters_release]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'M')aybe. Alternatively, the neocons are a rogue element within the plutocracy, who weren't taken seriously by the plutocrats, because they're so freaking weird. When they aligned themselves with right wing fundamentalist Christians, it was seen as more funny than fascist.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'M')aybe. Alternatively, the neocons are a rogue element within the plutocracy, who weren't taken seriously by the plutocrats, because they're so freaking weird. When they aligned themselves with right wing fundamentalist Christians, it was seen as more funny than fascist.

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'D')o you really think that the banks and corporations sat down with the neocons and planned this, or do you think they went along for the ride

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'D')o you really think that the banks and corporations sat down with the neocons and planned this, or do you think they went along for the ride

[mmasters]

I see what you're saying though my point is there is an over-arching control system and it goes beyond isreal, the neocons, CEOs, oil men, etc.. Most these people are just "agents" of a much greater power. This power is not public and is referred to by some as the "globalists" or the "bankers". The CFR for instance, the group which controls both the repubs and dems is layers beneath the top. The PNAC is an outgrowth of the CFR and is too rungs below the real power.

Essentially Bush and Co were hired to do a project for these guys higher up. In part, because the bush family had historical ties to them and in part because they had the right connections to do the job. That aside the spoils are rewarding to say the least.

[mmasters]

double post

[Revi]

Read Greg Palast's Armed Madhouse for what really went on in Iraq. The neo-cons were going to bring the price of oil down, and Paul Bremer got a visit from a prominent Texas oil man who told him the way things were really run. He liked the fact that oil was going up. There wasn't going to be any sale on the stuff.

I think that may be what's going on now. The price of oil is down slightly, so it's time to jack it up again. Sabre rattling isn't enough. We may have to start something with Iran. That'll get the price up some! Opec will be happy about that. They can't be disciplined enough to do it on their own. ( members cheat on their quotas) So we'll have to do it for them. $100 a barrel, here we come!

[Temperedoil]

There have been a few warnings lately from organisations keeping watch over resources and economies, but the general tone of most of the warnings given seems to be that the problem lies in insufficient investment or the nationalisation of oil resources. It would seem to be too much of a leap (or too frightening a leap) to recognise that, regardless of how much investment may be employed, or who owns the oil or the rights to the oil, there will simply be insufficient supply to meet demand.

Everybody needs to wake up and start taking a serious look at what is happening if we are to pull through this crisis (or, combination or crises, considering that global warming and insufficient supplies of fresh water are striking us at the same time).