[JustinFrankl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'N')o doubt.
Sheeple wish to define everything as either plus or minus.

Some things are neither while some things are both.
Some things are one way one moment and the other way the next.
The real problem here is that this does not apply to Oil reserves!

It is time to awaken.

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT', '"')The real problem here is that this does not apply to Oil reserves!
"you can't control "peak oil" - you can only control your outlook on life and recognise patterns in the world - and adapt and enjoy the ride. Nuclear war is more of a "threat" to human well being than "peak oil" - if I wanted to sit around worring about shit I can't control all day that would be the first on my list of priorities


If people on this site want to be destitute miserable and paranoid
about everything - then let them.

people like Matt Savinar will continue to get rich off it all

Go Matt!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway, I am torn between Greg Palasts view and the Matt Savinar view on "peak oil" - but as time goes by I am leaning more and more to the Greg Palast view.

The older you get the more you begin to realise how much human beings infinite creativity extends not only to beauty, art and invention - but the sociopathic propaganda that has rationalised every horror we have ever known...

people are going to persue whatever they percieve to be in their own interests - and thats always changing because everything in life is in constant motion.

[BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT]

I don't own a car, I take public transportation,The only things I own are a laptop my cell phone, my clothes and my books.




you don't know me ...

all you know is what I type on this board,



All anyone can do is recognise certain patterns , live a humble life and tell others so they have answers to questions when they're in a situation that warrents them...

There is nothing else you can do.

[BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT]

"Sorry Bill but you are just as much a part of the problem as anyone else.
Everyone of us needs to realize this and do their part.
You suggest that there is nothing to do but play along.
Denial, rationalization and apathy. "




"Sorry but some of us are not worrying just watching, thinking and perhaps waiting....it must look like worrying from the outside."




no its called " playing along"


your no better than I am - Im just aware enough and have the humillity to admit it.



"thats the way 99.9% of the population carry on each and every day"


where is that statistic from? - I would assume your imagination.



and let me guess - your the .1% that is "different"



I would argue its the way 100% carry on each day - including you.

[NEOPO]

accidental double post - guess I should say something anyways

Whats up with the "you dont know me" Jerry springer come back anyways?

Never said that I did know "you" but I do know that we are all part of "it".
Part of the problem part of the solution or both.

There are alot of positive people here but if you go about only "perceiving" the doom and gloom that says more about you then those who may post it.
I hear em - I cant deny most of it - its sad but it is no reason to give up or simply hope and pray things wont turn out poorly for us.

What do you want to do?
Sounds like you are a good example of someone who doesnt use alot of fossil fuels and thats a good thing yet are you suggesting that everyone can be like you or if they were that would solve our problems?

If you are leaning toward "Peak Oil is a scam" which is exactly how Mr. Palast see's it then I only have one question for you.....What are you doing here?

EDIT - "YOU DONT KNOW ME!!"

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT', '
')
"thats the way 99.9% of the population carry on each and every day"
where is that statistic from? - I would assume your imagination.
and let me guess - your the .1% that is "different"
I would argue its the way 100% carry on each day - including you.

[BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT]

all in all I think you said it best...


" we created an eco village and it failed"



well , lets assume you "succeeded" -

yeah?

so?


people are still going to do whatever they want - including everything you are complaining about.


I never claimed to "know you" - neither one of us knows the other - we only know what the other types on this message board.

[BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT]

"Oh its probably alot smaller then .01%.
No Bill "we" tried to setup our own ecovillage yet it failed.
Now "we" are hoping to join an ecovillage in progress or help to build one. "


"Do you reckon that is what 100% of the people are doing? "


well, most people on the planet don't even have working phones or easy access to clean water - so what you call an "eco village" is just "normal" to most people on the planet.

[NEOPO]

Yeah your right Bill.
We dont need to change anything about ourselves.
Everything is going to be just fine.
Positive thinking will see us through whatever the future may hold.

[BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT]

"Yeah your right Bill.
We dont need to change anything about ourselves.
Everything is going to be just fine.
Positive thinking will see us through whatever the future may hold.
"




thats not what im saying and you know it -








"If you are leaning toward "Peak Oil is a scam" which is exactly how Mr. Palast see's it then I only have one question for you.....What are you doing here?"






I enjoy reading the insight into consumption patterns, technology, energy etc etc - all is interesting regardless of what I think concerning the legitimacy of "peak oil"



You could just easily ask " If you disagree with how industrial society is operating - then what are you doing here ? "




" what are you doing here ? "

[NEOPO]

No really I dont know WTF you are trying to say......
Lay it all out for us please.....

I am here seeking like minded people to powerdown with.

Looking for clues as to when, where and how good or bad things are going to be etc etc....

If I thought PO was a scam I would definately not be here.

[threadbear]

A friend of mine recently sold her house for over a million. Instead of banking it and renting for a few years, she and her husband purchased a more expensive home. She sees herself as a positive person and clearly labels others 'negative' or 'positive' thinkers.

If everything goes according to her plans, job wise, they should be alright, but they can't afford one little thing to go off track. She assumes that house prices will flatten out, or go up, and if they don't, ...well that's kind of a hazy, foggy depressing way of viewing life, for her, so those ideas are relegated to the back burner.

People who don't prepare for the downside, in the interests of being positive, are complete dunderheads. If they insist on being emotionally stable and or happy, while they make potentially atrocious decisions, they are completely self indulgent.

The North Americancompulsive desire to be upbeat, happy, confident, is a helpful thing in a Capitalist world that is growing, where a sales personality is important. It's maladaptive to today's world.

Controlling attitude isn't entirely healthy either. We are here to experience a broad range of emotion and attitudes, perspectives, etc...Being mired in one narrow subset of emotions and perspectives discourages compassion for others. If you have a philosophy that sees everyone's attitude as a controllable by product of their own personal philosophy, you won't empathize, you will criticize. Essentially, it's as damaging as allowing oneself to wallow in another narrow subset of emotions--worry and dread.

Shutting the dark out, is like turning James Brown's "I feel good" at night, full blast, and playing it over and over, in a room with all the lights turned on. Most people would prefer a blend of music, including some played softly, in the minor key. Others would like to turn the music off altogether and listen to crickets chirping and owls hooting.

[BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT]

"A friend of mine recently sold her house for over a million."







so ? - if they have that kind of money to throw around then let them.

what does it have to do with your life?



"If everything goes according to her plans, job wise, they should be alright, but they can't afford one little thing to go off track"




hahah





do you even hear yourself?

[BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT]

"I am here seeking like minded people to powerdown with. "


then why are you debating sombody like me that is obviously completely indifferent. I am not going to "powerdown" with you.

I'm already "powered down" - but to me its not a "thing" - its just my normal day to day lifestyle.....

actually I would kinda like to be rich so that I can "power up" and join in with all the benifits of this society....

I don't think I want a car - I want my own private jet.

[NEOPO]

debating?
is that what you call this?

title states "this can help you"
who me?
guess you were talking to other you's in youville who also want their own private jet.

heck I thought for a second that you had chosen to live the way you were.....

[BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT]

"heck I thought for a second that you had chosen to live the way you were....."




what dumbass would want to be poor and/or confined to some little local community if they have the opportunity to travel the world and see what there is to see?


personally I want to hurry up and see the world - if "peak oil" is real I'll deal with it when its necissary.



like I said - most people don't even have clean water or phones - they would die for the opportunities we have - I want to soak it for everything before the opportunity slips by.


have fun with your eco village.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT', '"')A friend of mine recently sold her house for over a million."







so ? - if they have that kind of money to throw around then let them.

what does it have to do with your life?



"If everything goes according to her plans, job wise, they should be alright, but they can't afford one little thing to go off track"




hahah





do you even hear yourself?

[threadbear]

Allow me to qualify here. There are those who will take the power of positive thinking, and through flexibility of mind and goodness of spirit, work around it's potential for cruelty. The pharmacist may be one of these himself. It would certainly be confusing to be attacked, if this is the case.

[BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT]

hahah

you think im cruel?

you don't know what "cruel" is.


why am I "cruel" ?

because im force feeding you the reality that you can't control people no matter how self rightouse your convinced you are??


if you think you have information that can help peoples lives - then thats cool .... but that doesn't mean your perception of what people should or shouldn't do will be the result.

[NEOPO]

Fail to plan - plan to fail.

As if he can just "do something" about Peak Oil when the time comes ahahahah thats hilarious.

Notice the 3rd person speak.
Thats because Bill is not here with us.

"IF PEAK OIL IS REAL"........... he is funny though I will give him that.