THE Alex Jones Thread (merged)

by **PrairieMule** » Tue 26 Dec 2006, 13:45:13

I respect Alex Jones on much of his work. As prisonplanet member, I tune into his show once a week as well as seen all of his documentrues. The guy is spot on when it comes to Texas Politics and the "Police State". I do however disagree with him on Peakoil and I am of mixed opinion on the depth of 9-11.

He doesn't bring up Peakoil very often but when he does his keypoints are memos from the oil company executives and the argument that oil in reserves plentiful. If you follow him regularlly it's not hard to know this guy has a full plate runnning a daily radio show, public access show, website and documentries. I think he would be up for a serious debate or maybe a show on Peakoil from some of the heavy hitters on this website.

Still, if I could give him the shirt off my back I would.

by **threadbear** » Tue 26 Dec 2006, 21:00:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlCzervik', 'B')oth guys do great work, but it is extremely disappointing to see them deny basic math and science. What is strange about Palast is his self-rebuttal. I got the impression that he realized a huge portion of his fan base was pissed off and it probably embarrassed him that they let him know he knew so little about peak oil.
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2297/Why_Palast_Is_Wrong
Here is the first article.
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2295/No_Peak ... ert_Humbug

As for Alex Jones, I love the guy. Terrorstorm is a great introduction to government sponsored terror for those not aware of the concept. His criticism of both major political parties is really in line with a lot of the people that libertarian types love, like Ron Paul and Aaron Russo. The problem is that Alex's entire schtick is so anti-NWO that he can't accept something like peak oil. In his mind, it has to be a construct cooked up by the oil companies to jack up prices and for governments to consolidate power. I don't want to turn this into a Ruppert v. Jones debate, but Mike has it right to ask why would governments be going so crazy over the middle east right now, possibly staging terror attacks, and cooking up fake wars that could get them thrown in jail? The answer, of course, is something as civilization changing as declining energy supply. And that's why Mike is right on this one. Alex thinks the war on terror is just a cover to turn us all into serfs. He isn't completely wrong. A lot of the domestic moves by the elites such as the Patriot Act will certainly be used against us. But, that's because suburbia isn't going to be functioning the way it is now and the middle class will be pissed off, not because elites get off controlling the masses or anything like that. Here is the video Terrorstorm, in case anyone is interested.
[url=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=78604845368617623
0]Terrorstorm.[/url]

by **MattSavinar** » Tue 26 Dec 2006, 21:53:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'M')ost of us peakers are aware that Alex Jones and Greg Palast came out against PO.
For quite a while as I was dealing with PO personally I kept away from Alex and the gang and even 9/11 CT's et al. as I did not want anything to interfere with my understanding of Peak Oil and I of course did not want anyone to think I was nuttier then what telling someone about Peak Oil usually makes one seem.

When you go about trying to inform folks about peak oil you usually find a large number of people choosing to believe that its all about money/greed and alot of those people I considered to be smart or "not stupid" prior to my finding and understanding peak oil so how could I think that about them now that they did not "GET" peak oil?
Right - I could not.
So I will give this to Alex and try not allow it to tint the rest of prison planets/info wars offerings.
Greg Palast is another that has done some great work yet he cannot see beyond the oil veil.

As I came to "get" peak oil and turned it into a "got" the next logical step seemed to be to question the rest of the "crap" that it appeared We have and were being fed.
Its not like I never had a thought about WTF is actually going on here yet this time it was different and suddenly I realized that in my hands was the ability to pull upto 600k per second transfer rate

Knowledge IS Power.

Needless to say as I attempted to "look deeper" I found Alex Jones/prison planet/infowars webpage news/videos/audio/youtube et al to be indespensible.

Lately, as I consume more Alex Jones info I am only left wondering WhyTF doesnt Alex get Peak Oil......
Its starting to really bother me to the point where I want to try and do something about it ;-)

So I have a little side project that I need some help with please - the Save Alex Jones Peak Oil Project - will attempt to provoke Alex to reconsider Peak Oil

I have attempted contact with Alex et al.
Alex Jones infowars contact page
That is the contact Alex link and his address is near the bottom of the page as well.
I wonder if I could fed ex him my used copy of Twilight in the desert before xmas?
I know he has issues with Mike Ruppert but maybe not with Matt Simmons ;-)

Please if you do not enjoy Alex and or think he is a nut then simply do not contact him as I am sure he gets plenty of emails like that daily and probably has a real fast delete trigger finger....

That being said and without further ado...

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you, the Alex Jones thread!!! *applause-o-matic*

Let's start it off with a recent video from prisonplanet.com:
NWO From The Mouths of The Elite

Easy enough so lets follow that up with something with alittle more edge:
The Perfect Terrorist Plan To Level The Twin Towers Created In 1976

The Audio interview related to the above article <--audio Link

Hmmmmmm...

by **MattSavinar** » Tue 26 Dec 2006, 21:59:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'I') respect Alex Jones on much of his work. As prisonplanet member, I tune into his show once a week as well as seen all of his documentrues. The guy is spot on when it comes to Texas Politics and the "Police State". I do however disagree with him on Peakoil and I am of mixed opinion on the depth of 9-11.

He doesn't bring up Peakoil very often but when he does his keypoints are memos from the oil company executives and the argument that oil in reserves plentiful. If you follow him regularlly it's not hard to know this guy has a full plate runnning a daily radio show, public access show, website and documentries. I think he would be up for a serious debate or maybe a show on Peakoil from some of the heavy hitters on this website.

Still, if I could give him the shirt off my back I would.

by **MattSavinar** » Tue 26 Dec 2006, 22:04:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', ' ') The brain is wired to seek politcal power, not the truth.

by **dukey** » Tue 26 Dec 2006, 22:14:06

i dont think alex jones has seriously entertained the posibility of peak oil, he's just too busy with other stuff.

by **Armageddon** » Tue 26 Dec 2006, 23:20:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'I') respect Alex Jones on much of his work. As prisonplanet member, I tune into his show once a week as well as seen all of his documentrues. The guy is spot on when it comes to Texas Politics and the "Police State". I do however disagree with him on Peakoil and I am of mixed opinion on the depth of 9-11.

He doesn't bring up Peakoil very often but when he does his keypoints are memos from the oil company executives and the argument that oil in reserves plentiful. If you follow him regularlly it's not hard to know this guy has a full plate runnning a daily radio show, public access show, website and documentries. I think he would be up for a serious debate or maybe a show on Peakoil from some of the heavy hitters on this website.

Still, if I could give him the shirt off my back I would.

by **NEOPO** » Tue 26 Dec 2006, 23:23:51

Matt - You as much as anyone here should know that not everything or perhaps hardly anything is as it seems yet you repeatedly hold up the torch of modern science and most specifically the field of psychology as if we have not only arrived at Peak Oil but also arrived at the "peak" of understanding ourselves.

If anything we are infants attempting to walk for the first time.

This applies equally well across the board....Religion - Science - Politics etc etc.

An alien could watch the last 100 years in ultra fast forward and come away wondering just how long ago did we come down from the trees.......

If you want me to go along with the scientific position only then I will use the evolution card and suggest that MY TYPE is so evolved as to be beyond any current attempt to understand us muahahahahah ;-)

I wanted to and still do spread the word of PO beyond these halls.
You suggested that I also/or only wanted politial power......
Yeah I want the political power that surviving PO and being one of the ecovillage gardeners brings.....
"Ah yes we will control all food and then we will be kings!!"
"KINGS I SAY!!!"

I received a few credits in psychology as well my friend yet after a semester or two I was left feeling as if I had been shown about 1/10th of the pieces to a very big puzzle and that this was all of the pieces we have found to date.

How you walked away believing this stuff like a religion I will never know as you otherwise appear to be quite the open mind.

Everytime you start the human monkey talk I go "pffft!" right before I start to "shine" and fling dung at other peakers

Stick with the legal angle bro - "they" only made psychology part of the curriculum as "filler" or so accountants knew when they were about to fly out of a 11th story window

The collectivism of the Sheeple and the ignorance of people en masse I understand yet any attempt to apply these templates to all individuals is a grievous error IMHO.

Will you explain your own political ambitions now please?

Denial and rationalization I can understand.
Being immersed in other subjects to the point that you never really give some subjects a good look I can understand.
Alex seems to have the charisma to lead yet what do you imagine existed first???
The charisma or the leader?
The peoples desire for a leader or the leader?
The "need" for a leader or a leader?
Dig deep into that thought and you may see an error in the modern view of how our mind works.

Alex is in a position to capitolize on his popularity and may ultimately be pursuing political power yet it seems way over simplified to believe that all Alex ever wanted was to be king/politician/ruler.

If hatred for the current regime is the only prerequisite then everyone would be a politician sooner or later.....

The main goal is not power it is so the power will no longer be abused!!
Ya know its like we dont wanna fucking do it but these incompetent lil bitches screw up so bad that we have to do it!
They force anyone with sense to attempt to wrest the power away from them before we find ourselves bombing the hell out of someone, being bombed the hell out of ourselves or quite likely both.

Furthermore do you reckon our Past leaders and current neocon leaders were/are all 100% mentally stable creatures?
Do you reckon our shining examples of politicians to date are a somehow sufficient enough sample for the Scientific Psychologists to come to a final conclusion about anyone who seeks political power?

I know you see where I am going with this as we are there already.
Thats just a few of the alternative ways to view it man.
Seeing the situation we presently find ourselves in - alternative views might be the only thing that gets any of us beyond that which we are about to receive and you know that is true.

Can I get an Amen my Brothers and Sisters?! ;-)

I dedicate the following song to Alex Jones.
Preachers of Rock

"Occams razor makes the cutting clean" for most sheeple....

by **MattSavinar** » Tue 26 Dec 2006, 23:50:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'I') respect Alex Jones on much of his work. As prisonplanet member, I tune into his show once a week as well as seen all of his documentrues. The guy is spot on when it comes to Texas Politics and the "Police State". I do however disagree with him on Peakoil and I am of mixed opinion on the depth of 9-11.

He doesn't bring up Peakoil very often but when he does his keypoints are memos from the oil company executives and the argument that oil in reserves plentiful. If you follow him regularlly it's not hard to know this guy has a full plate runnning a daily radio show, public access show, website and documentries. I think he would be up for a serious debate or maybe a show on Peakoil from some of the heavy hitters on this website.

Still, if I could give him the shirt off my back I would.

by **Armageddon** » Wed 27 Dec 2006, 00:18:12

I was thinking along the lines that Alex doesn't want to be in the PO corner because he doesn't want to lose any credibilty to his audience , since most people would not / do not want to know their way of life is about to change in a drastic way. Maybe Alex is in denial and doesnt want to face these facts either.

I was listening to a guy the other night on the jeff rense show, his name was lindsey williams. He is a baptist minister and he claims he lived up in prudhoe bay when the oil pipelines were being built and sat in on some of their meetings and overheard the globalists talk about their aganda. He said they have more oil than they know what to do with, and it is abiotic in nature. I fell asleep during the last part and havent listened to the archive yet. He is a firm believer PO is a scam. Are these people this stupid, or are they propagandists for the oil companies ? I cant believe rense is anti PO , especially when he was kissing rupports rear a couple years ago on his show.

by **MidnightOil** » Wed 27 Dec 2006, 01:14:43

I think its all pretty simple.Jones and Rense are not in the truth business at all.They are in show business.They only talk about what fits into their anti -NWO agenda.Anything else is just censored out.

Not surprised that they ignore people like Matt Savinar who try to explain the PO point of view.Dont bother them with facts, their minds are already made up.

by **Armageddon** » Wed 27 Dec 2006, 02:31:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MidnightOil', 'I') think its all pretty simple.Jones and Rense are not in the truth business at all.They are in show business.They only talk about what fits into their anti -NWO agenda.Anything else is just censored out.

Not surprised that they ignore people like Matt Savinar who try to explain the PO point of view.Dont bother them with facts, their minds are already made up.

by **MidnightOil** » Wed 27 Dec 2006, 03:15:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', '
')Not quite true. Rense and Jones actually tell more truth than un-truth. They are just mislead into the abiotic theory. But , all in all, they are on the good guys side of most issues. I am also not into Rense's alien and ghost crap either.

by **Armageddon** » Wed 27 Dec 2006, 12:44:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MidnightOil', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', '
')Not quite true. Rense and Jones actually tell more truth than un-truth. They are just mislead into the abiotic theory. But , all in all, they are on the good guys side of most issues. I am also not into Rense's alien and ghost crap either.

by **Armageddon** » Wed 27 Dec 2006, 13:01:50

If you have been following this thread I mentioned about the interview with Lindsay Williams. I finished listening to the final part last night. He said there is a place up in Alaska that has enough oil to make the US energy independent. I have always thought the US may save a couple huge areas for when oil runs out elsewhere in the world. BUT, no matter how big a reserve is, and I don't care if it is the largest in the world, the extraction rate is the key. Even if it holds 50 billion barrels, it may only produce 2 mbpd at best. This is what I feel they are missing. It has nothing to do with the quantity, it is all about the extraction rate.

by **PrairieMule** » Wed 27 Dec 2006, 14:04:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '
')I too really, really like Alex. I've been on Coast to Coast three times. I believe 9/11 to be an inside job.

by **PrairieMule** » Wed 27 Dec 2006, 14:07:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', ' ') He said there is a place up in Alaska that has enough oil to make the US energy independent. I have always thought the US may save a couple huge areas for when oil runs out elsewhere in the world. BUT, no matter how big a reserve is, and I don't care if it is the largest in the world, the extraction rate is the key. Even if it holds 50 billion barrels, it may only produce 2 mbpd at best. This is what I feel they are missing. It has nothing to do with the quantity, it is all about the extraction rate.

by **NEOPO** » Wed 27 Dec 2006, 15:57:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'I') respect Alex Jones on much of his work. As prisonplanet member, I tune into his show once a week as well as seen all of his documentrues. The guy is spot on when it comes to Texas Politics and the "Police State". I do however disagree with him on Peakoil and I am of mixed opinion on the depth of 9-11.

He doesn't bring up Peakoil very often but when he does his keypoints are memos from the oil company executives and the argument that oil in reserves plentiful. If you follow him regularlly it's not hard to know this guy has a full plate runnning a daily radio show, public access show, website and documentries. I think he would be up for a serious debate or maybe a show on Peakoil from some of the heavy hitters on this website.

Still, if I could give him the shirt off my back I would.

by **PrairieMule** » Wed 27 Dec 2006, 16:43:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I') wonder if any one of us can ever view the big picture all at once.
It seems that people like Alex Jones, Matt Savinar and Mike Ruppert all see a large part of the big picture yet I am starting to believe that neither they nor any one of us is capable of conceiving everything and seeing all.

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