by Pretorian » Wed 20 Dec 2006, 01:55:21
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'P')retorian, thank you for your insight. Was there a weapon for every man, woman and child in the hands of the citizenry?
I think you know where I'm going here... our outcome might be very different, but I agree... worse.
I decided to revive a little an old thread as I got an award for it

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and there are a few questions I forgot to answer.
So, guns.
No, there are were no guns at all for the citizenry. But every man starting 14-15 could arm and disarm an AK-47 within I am not sure how many seconds. It was a part of a highschool program. Surprisingly to buy an AK-47 was more expensive than to do it here in states. It cost probably $1000-2000 to buy from a military base, while here in states you had Chinese copies for $400, which are good enough to shoot a magazine or two.
There is also a 5 year prison time for owning a gun, equal for those who have a 19th centuary shooter or 20 mashine guns.
Well , the cheapest gun you could get I think it was a Makarov, $200-300 ( still a lot of money )
I was offered to buy an UZI with 2 magazines ( $800 ) when I was I think 15-16.
So there are were no guns but they were available for everyone.
After the 1991 there was no taxation system, so multiple groups of ex-sportsmen, cons of all sorts were taxing businesses instead. 10-20% rate usually, but they were taking care of many business related problems. I was doing amateur boxing in 1992-1996 and I doubt I knew anyone in my sport who didnt have an entry-level offer to 1 of such groups.
As soon as tax system started to work, many members and especially leaders of these groups were killed either by cops who wanted to take their place ( but were too late ) or each other becouse of shrinking income possibilities. Those groups who survived went to business themselves, started to privatize factories and stuff for a small bribe , some just concentrated on drug dealing, debts collection, ets. Richest guy in Ukraine, muslim Rinat Akhmetov( $4-6 bln? ) is one of those survived leaders, and he doesnt even deny it on public.
Do you remember all that fuzz about crooked presidential elections in Ukraine a year or so ago? Thats his business. He made his puppet a governor in the region, than a prime-minister, than almost a president ( noone actually expected that people will go on the streets ) and now the same puppet is a prime-minister again, with more power than before.