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Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

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Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

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Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby Narz » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 16:34:25

Both "after peak oil" and "happiness" can be defined in a variety of ways. Choose whichever you feel like and vote in the poll. :)

Please explain you reasoning also!

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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 16:44:53

You gotta be kidding. Here we are, all living like European royalty of 200 years ago wished they could have lived, and you have to ask if we'll be happier when it all blows away and we're reduced to subsistance living?
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby oowolf » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 17:08:11

Happy...what's that? Only someone who's transcended the gross flesh can be happy here.

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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby gego » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 17:31:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'Y')ou gotta be kidding. Here we are, all living like European royalty of 200 years ago wished they could have lived, and you have to ask if we'll be happier when it all blows away and we're reduced to subsistance living?


Reduced to subsistence or worse, reduced to fertilizer. I think I prefer the comfort of today as opposed to the challenge of tomorrow.
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 18:43:33

Happiness is a condition that is only possible amongst people who have faced adversity and prevailed. The closest that modern Americans come to happiness is loading up on various drugs (e.g. television, cheap consumer goods, Prozac, etc.) and managing to temporarily zone out and ignore the patheticness of their lives. Happiness post-peak? Yes. And hardship too.
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby Stratovarius » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 20:20:20

I voted yes.

You don't need money for happiness. You don't need riches and royalties and all that fake shit that is merely a picture of happiness and not happiness itself.

I feel that in chaotic times, my friends will stick together and we'll struggle together (assuming the worst happens). I love struggling, I love challenges, I'm tired of having my hand held.

This is why Nietzsche is my favorite teacher. At the bottom of the ladder is self-pity, acceptance, laziness and cowardice. The middle rungs involve many things...a broken heart, injury, fatigue, isolation, defeat, depression, terror, misfortune, poverty...a constant struggle.

The top rung is where your reward is. You can interpret this however you wish.

I dunno about you, but I'm fucking sick of sitting at bottom and being average and getting slapped around. Please, throw your challenges at me, I'll be looking forward to my reward, whatever that will be.
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby TheTurtle » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 20:49:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', 'H')appy...what's that? Only someone who's transcended the gross flesh can be happy here.


Over the weekend, I saw the end of a movie my kids were watching; I don't recall its name. The final soliloquy caught my attention. To paraphrase: When you are first born, you cry, and everyone around you is happy. When you die, everyone around you cries, but you are happy.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', 'T')his is why Nietzsche is my favorite teacher.


I was a big fan of Nietzsche back when I thought I was a philosophy major. He was an apt student of human nature. Never lose sight of the fact, however, that in the end Nietzsche went insane. :cry:
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 20:56:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', '.')..I love struggling, I love challenges...

Be very careful of what you wish for.

Questions for those who think a daily struggle for survival will make them happier:

Do you think the dirt-poor of the world, who are essentially living post-Peak right now, are happier than you?

Would you trade places with any of them?
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby Stratovarius » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 20:59:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', '.')..I love struggling, I love challenges...

Be very careful of what you wish for.


I wish your avatar would go away...it scares me. :/
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby Benzin » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 21:01:40

Actually it feels like being cheated. But it could be a lot worse.

Reminds me of this ad I kept seeing everyday when I went to work. "Today she'll read about the world, tomorrow she'll save it." Seriously our kids and grandkids will hate us for placing this burden on them. Why weren't we saving the planet all this time? My guess is money, power and greed took over.
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 21:04:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', 'I') wish your avatar would go away...it scares me.

That Chinese army officer does have a determined look about him, doesn't he?
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 21:16:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', 'I') wish your avatar would go away...it scares me.

That Chinese army officer does have a determined look about him, doesn't he?
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby mmasters » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 21:17:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'Y')ou gotta be kidding. Here we are, all living like European royalty of 200 years ago wished they could have lived, and you have to ask if we'll be happier when it all blows away and we're reduced to subsistance living?

Depends on what kind of person you are.

If you're a person that likes harmony and order you're screwed.

If you're a materialist, you're screwed.

If you're a person that likes the superficial "lifestyle", you're screwed.

If you're a substance kind of person that digs personality you might come out a marginal winner. Tough times build character and bring out the best in some. The world could use more of these types of people IMO.

If you're a type that lives for a "cause", surely there will be an interesting assortment of ones to choose from.
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby Eli » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 22:26:38

Well, if we have an economic collapse and energy shortages it could very well be worse than the great depression. What that would mean is a persons daily life could be spent worrying about finding some food.

That would suck. It would be hard to be happy if you knew that your children had not eaten in a couple of days.
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby 128shot » Tue 12 Dec 2006, 23:24:40

Inherently, if you believe that there will be a resource collapse and a fallout, you're screwed.


only in a condition like this will nuclear weapons be used.


Not to mention its a foolish assumption.
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 00:18:39

Personally I think all who beleive in PO are waiting for the shoe to drop. For me, the sooner the shoe drops the sooner i can get on with the rest of my life finding my way to survive, I ain't getting any younger and the older I am when PO is admitted the harder it will be for me to adapt myself and my family in an attempt to insure our survival.

The sooner, the better!
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To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 04:39:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', '.')..only in a condition like this will nuclear weapons be used.

That is an interesting subject.
Massive nuke use would be trully horrific for city dwellers.
This would also annihilate most of "elites", if came with a little or no warning.
On the other hand massive nuke use could be a blessing in disguise for those living in countryside, say 10, 20 or 100 miles away from larger population centres.
There would be no "zombie hordes" to contend with, there would be no intrusive authorities or taxes at least for some time, any debt would no longer be due for payment and small, local communities would form.
There would be no more litter left by consumers in pristine wilderness areas as well as fish stocks would recover around a coast.
Some areas would go "Mad Maxed", but some other with stronger community links would certainly retain some basic rule of law.
New, feudal order would slowly form within next one or two centuries.
Current TPTB will no longer be relevant.
Many poor would get their once in life chance to become influential people.
In that sense many people would actually benefit from nuking...
As I observe history of humanity, whenever ancient cities building state collapsed, rural communities begined to thrive.
I do not think, that we would have an exception here.
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby Grifter » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 05:15:49

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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby perdition79 » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 05:41:47

Happier? Of course not. As stated several times before, we'll all be struggling to find our next meal, fight off other apex predators, etc. We'll be miserable. The only bright side is that it will no longer feel like we're just living a lie; that we are "playing along" with a system that we know is doomed to violent, sudden collape.
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Re: Do you think you'll be happier after Peak Oil?

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 06:13:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grifter', '[')url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6169717.stm]climate consequences from small scale nuclear exchange[/url]

Statement from your quote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BBC', 'F')or an exchange of 100 Hiroshima-sized bombs, the modelling suggested there would be millions of deaths, as well as climate cooling and ozone damage.

100 Hiroshima explosions would add up to about 2 millions tons of TNT.
Now did you hear about Russian Tsar Bomba?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba
50 millions of tons of TNT in 1 atmospheric test go!
It was about 2500 Hiroshima size bombs!
Did we have any global cooling or nuclear winter as a result of that? I do not think so.
Certainly those misguided climate modellers have to work harder on their software, as current versions are not good enough and they are delivering results contradicting empirical evidence.

The only way to deliver real nuclear armagedon as current technology stands would be to use our warheads against large proportion of nuclear reactors around a globe.
One could only ask, would that be done, or not?

Otherwise a nuclear war would most likely turn to be "civilization stopper/resetter" and would not do much more than that.
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