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Where did all the doomers go?
Where did all the doomers go?
by Bas » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 20:51:48
About six months ago I thought this place was sinking under their weight but now it seems the knowledgable intellectuals have come back to dominate the board, what's up with that?
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Re: Where did all the doomers go?
by Cobra_Strike » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 21:13:09
i would think that most are simply sitting back, biding their time. Or running as fast as they can for the hills 
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Re: Where did all the doomers go?
by Jack » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 21:17:59
Pstarr has it right.
I see no reason to waste time arguing with people I regard as...
I'll let others fill in the blank.
Those who wish to follow the cornucopian mirage are more than welcome to do so.
I see no reason to waste time arguing with people I regard as...
I'll let others fill in the blank.
Those who wish to follow the cornucopian mirage are more than welcome to do so.
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Re: Where did all the doomers go?
by ReserveGrowthRulz » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 21:19:15
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'A')bout six months ago I thought this place was sinking under their weight but now it seems the knowledgable intellectuals have come back to dominate the board, what's up with that?
It is possible that Doomerism is directly related to gasoline prices. This is speculation on my part, subject to future reevaluation.
It is also possible that more than a year post peak now, and with nobody really noticing, and the "deathburbs"
still going strong, people have decided that while peak oil may be an interesting factoid, it might not have near as much to do with Doom as had been hoped.So....heading into our 3rd year post peak and I'm still getting caught in traffic jams!! DieOff already!
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Re: Where did all the doomers go?
by eastbay » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 21:28:27
This doomer is still here
.... setting up for post-peak and still getting more and more doomeristic as the post peak months pass by. I'm also finally putting my money where my mouth is, so to speak, and in fact doing quite well as are presumably many others here.
It's ON now and will be something incredible to witness.
.... setting up for post-peak and still getting more and more doomeristic as the post peak months pass by. I'm also finally putting my money where my mouth is, so to speak, and in fact doing quite well as are presumably many others here.
It's ON now and will be something incredible to witness.
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Re: Where did all the doomers go?
by Bas » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 21:41:52
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'P')starr has it right.
I see no reason to waste time arguing with people I regard as...
I'll let others fill in the blank.
Those who wish to follow the cornucopian mirage are more than welcome to do so.
I see no reason to waste time arguing with people I regard as...
I'll let others fill in the blank.
Those who wish to follow the cornucopian mirage are more than welcome to do so.
Are you talking about me? I don't think anyone on this site can really be considered cornucopian, cornucopians really are in denial about PO. Moreover, as an environmentalist I was always against cornucopianism, however I AM a positivist but that's something completely different and I don't know how people can mix up the two.
Anyway, as an environmentalist I can be happy about PO, but as a likely consequence, more coal, makes it less something to party about than it could have been.
Having been schooled in macro-economics I really don't see PO as the end of the world or something close to it; does it make me a cornucopian when I'm more positive than the "herd", I don't think so.
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Re: Where did all the doomers go?
by DantesPeak » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 21:49:08
I am only saying this for the benefit of newcomers. RGR is setting up another straw man argument. PO means worldwide peak oil production - not whether the US consumed more or less oil.
As long as the US is the number one worldwide accepted currency, the US will be able to outbid other countries for a while on the downside of PO. (That is if neither the US dollar loses its special place nor oil becomes traded by contract and not in free markets).
Anyway interest in PO.com is not waning much; it's just that people don't want to make the same arguments over and over again. I'm sure that the PO.com servers will be overheating one day not too far into the future.
As long as the US is the number one worldwide accepted currency, the US will be able to outbid other countries for a while on the downside of PO. (That is if neither the US dollar loses its special place nor oil becomes traded by contract and not in free markets).
Anyway interest in PO.com is not waning much; it's just that people don't want to make the same arguments over and over again. I'm sure that the PO.com servers will be overheating one day not too far into the future.
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Re: Where did all the doomers go?
by MonteQuest » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 21:49:33
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReserveGrowthRulz', ' ')It is also possible that more than a year post peak now, and with nobody really noticing, and the "deathburbs" still going strong, people have decided that while peak oil may be an interesting factoid, it might not have near as much to do with Doom as had been hoped.
still going strong, people have decided that while peak oil may be an interesting factoid, it might not have near as much to do with Doom as had been hoped.And the cornucopians have resorted to using a "early calling of the peak" strawman position to attack.
Peak oil is not here yet. And if it is, it hasn't been seen in hindsight as was the peak of the US in 1970. Until OPEC calls for pumping flat out like the Texas Railroad Commission did, the oil commodity market skyrockets, and CNN runs with it, peak oil is not here.
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Re: Where did all the doomers go?
by Bas » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 21:56:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'A')nd the cornucopians have resorted to using a "early calling of the peak" strawman position to attack.
Peak oil is not here yet. And if it is, it hasn't been seen in hindsight as was the peak of the US in 1970. Until OPEC calls for pumping flat out like the Texas Railroad Commission did, the oil commodity market skyrockets, and CNN runs with it, peak oil is not here.
Peak oil is not here yet. And if it is, it hasn't been seen in hindsight as was the peak of the US in 1970. Until OPEC calls for pumping flat out like the Texas Railroad Commission did, the oil commodity market skyrockets, and CNN runs with it, peak oil is not here.
Again, I don't think there are cornucopians on this site, are there? I haven't seen anyone making an argument out of "the early calling of the peak" either. The more I read about PO (And I have been reading for more than 2 years) the more diffuse my expectations become. But those scenarios many people on this forum are taking into account are at the bottom of my spectrum.
time will tell, good people, time will tell.
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But if he argues that PO won't come because it hasn't already, he's wrong. Same goes for calling someone a cornucopian...it's not an argument.
