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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby davep » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 16:42:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'Y')our apathy is apparent.

Ask yourself why do you bother Dave?
Why do you bother Kokoda?
Worried the sheeple will think the wrong thing?

Same shit could be said about any PO plans but I am not listening and will continue to prep.

Sorry but some of us are doing that and still looking out.

Fucking pathetic really it is.
As if this means nothing - thats basically what you are saying.

Ya know we had this same conversation on another thread and in the end the same BULLSHIT was said.
"doesnt matter - cant do anything about it" - etc etc ....

Sad pieces of shit you are - apathetic bags of shit.

If we could look into your mind we would probably see that you are OKAY with what is happening as long as you have yours.


How dare you? You have no idea of what I do in life. I've given up a well paid career to immerse myself in permaculture and energy production to (at least try to) show that post-peak can be managed.

It's not that things can't be done, it's knowing what you can do personally that will have a genuine (and useful) impact.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 16:44:46

We are all here because of PO, thats why it is so frustrating that people cant make the connection. You dont think Bush and Cheney are full aware of PO ? They know how desperate things really are, probably more than most of us. Desperate times means desperate decisions. Like I said , the US had two choices:

1) power down and destroy the economy
2) fight for the oil

Dilemma: How can we attack the middle east, build military bases, control Iraq's oil , have military personal right in the heart of over 60 % of the proven oil reserves on the planet ? How can we get the american people to supprt this type of adventure ? How can we get some of our allys to back this also ?

solution : stage an attack ( history shows this is nothing new ), blame it on the terrorsts, bin laden , al quada etc.

outcome : it worked ( for the most part )
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby davep » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 16:49:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'W')e are all here because of PO, thats why it is so frustrating that people cant make the connection. You dont think Bush and Cheney are full aware of PO ? They know how desperate things really are, probably more than most of us. Desperate times means desperate decisions. Like I said , the US had two choices:

1) power down and destroy the economy
2) fight for the oil

Dilemma: How can we attack the middle east, build military bases, control Iraq's oil , have military personal right in the heart of over 60 % of the proven oil reserves on the planet ? How can we get the american people to supprt this type of adventure ? How can we get some of our allys to back this also ?

solution : stage an attack ( history shows this is nothing new ), blame it on the terrorsts, bin laden , al quada etc.

outcome : it worked ( for the most part )


I know that Cheney et al were aware of PO in 1999, with their ideas of extending power for the national interest. It doesn't mean that they are responsible for PO though.

I don't live in America so I guess I'm not subject to the same dilemmas. I just think we should each try to do our bit. If that involves speaking to those with a real voice (such as George Monbiot) then all the better. Just don't dissipate your energies when instead you can prime those who can really make a difference.

BTW, David Shaylor is currently on Sky News (yes, Murdoch!) discussing 9/11 and Mossad. If you really want to move forward with this stuff, give him a call!
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 16:50:17

One thing I will say is, 911 is really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. PO is the bigger issue. Peak natural gas is more an immediate threat than PO. I believe we have peaked in oil, and we are at the plateau. How long will the plateau be ? When will the decline start ? How sharp will the decline be ? When exporting countries need more of their domestic production, will their exports reduce quickly ? These are real threats that will effect each one of us.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 16:51:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', ' ')or just babble on without thinking and ignore the facts (like armegeddon).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', ' ')I guess you failed to see the molten steel underneath the steel in the 911 picture. It was a MUCH better cut , obviousely from thermite. And btw, thermite can melt steel just like the picture indicates. Your picture shows steel being cut by a torch. See the difference ? Thanks for helping me make my point.

*sigh* ... I rest my case.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 16:55:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'W')e are all here because of PO, thats why it is so frustrating that people cant make the connection. You dont think Bush and Cheney are full aware of PO ? They know how desperate things really are, probably more than most of us. Desperate times means desperate decisions. Like I said , the US had two choices:

1) power down and destroy the economy
2) fight for the oil

Dilemma: How can we attack the middle east, build military bases, control Iraq's oil , have military personal right in the heart of over 60 % of the proven oil reserves on the planet ? How can we get the american people to supprt this type of adventure ? How can we get some of our allys to back this also ?

solution : stage an attack ( history shows this is nothing new ), blame it on the terrorsts, bin laden , al quada etc.

outcome : it worked ( for the most part )

American troops and military bases were already in Saudi Arabia before 911. Try doing some research.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby davep » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 16:56:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'O')ne thing I will say is, 911 is really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. PO is the bigger issue. Peak natural gas is more an immediate threat than PO. I believe we have peaked in oil, and we are at the plateau. How long will the plateau be ? When will the decline start ? How sharp will the decline be ? When exporting countries need more of their domestic production, will their exports reduce quickly ? These are real threats that will effect each one of us.


Thanks, that was my point. Discussing the machinations of Cheney et al will not furthur our cause. Finding solutions for individuals and communities that then get propagated around the world may just save us (although that doesn't stop me getting an arsenal in case any unwelcome visitors don't share my core beliefs). It's all about being realistic in the face of reality.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 16:59:37

as if this is the first or last 911?

as if things are not going to get worse?

as if..............
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 17:08:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'W')e are all here because of PO, thats why it is so frustrating that people cant make the connection. You dont think Bush and Cheney are full aware of PO ? They know how desperate things really are, probably more than most of us. Desperate times means desperate decisions. Like I said , the US had two choices:

1) power down and destroy the economy
2) fight for the oil

Dilemma: How can we attack the middle east, build military bases, control Iraq's oil , have military personal right in the heart of over 60 % of the proven oil reserves on the planet ? How can we get the american people to supprt this type of adventure ? How can we get some of our allys to back this also ?

solution : stage an attack ( history shows this is nothing new ), blame it on the terrorsts, bin laden , al quada etc.

outcome : it worked ( for the most part )

American troops and military bases were already in Saudi Arabia before 911. Try doing some research.


A few islamic countries were pushing the US out. Having them in Iraq is what they wanted. I know people who worked on the new bases, and they said they are friggen huge. The US will be in Iraq indefinitely.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 17:11:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'O')ne thing I will say is, 911 is really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. PO is the bigger issue. Peak natural gas is more an immediate threat than PO. I believe we have peaked in oil, and we are at the plateau. How long will the plateau be ? When will the decline start ? How sharp will the decline be ? When exporting countries need more of their domestic production, will their exports reduce quickly ? These are real threats that will effect each one of us.

At last you are speaking some sense.

Now maybe you can understand why I am spending so much time and effort debunking this 911 crap. It is an unnecessary diversion which takes focus away from the main issue.

When people come to these sorts of sites they do so because of a genuine concern about PO. When they start reading about 911 stuff being tied in with PO they start to think that the site is nothing more than a front for a bunch of conspiracy theorists trying to push their own agenda.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 17:13:20

i dismissed what i heard on the internet ages ago about 911. About the buildings having bombs in them. But the more you research, the more and more facts which appear. If you step back and look at the broader picture. Like how on earth did no planes get intercepted that day ? Even tho the air force does it hundreds of times per year (nearly perfectly). Or the fact that the bush adminstration blocked indipendant 911 investigations, or the fact so little money and resources were initially put into the 911 comission, or the fact bush tried to put kissinger on it.

There is just an orgy of evidence, it all reaks of cover up. Like the 3 videos of the pentagon, strangely none of them show any plane crashing there. Yes if you haven't seen the latest ones go look ! What about the billions of warnings ? Hell even crazy alex jones predicted 911 would happen only MONTHS before it happened and even mentioned the world trade centre getting hit. If someone like him could see it happening, the government with their multi billion dollar budget most certainly could.

I just looked at the whole issue with an open mind, not with a mindset that there was no way the government could do it. Once you see and understand the twin towers were controlled demolition, everything is so easy to explain.

The speed of the buildings falling
The huge amounts of dust
The pyroclastic flow
The steel gurders being cut in convenient lengths
The demolition squibs
The seizmic evidence
Eye witness testimony
The pools of molten metal found at each of the 3 trade centres.
Building 7 where the central support collums gave way first
Then falling into a neat little pile in a symmetrical fashion
Or the fact that people were actually given a warning that building 7 would fall ? Even tho other buildings nearby had recieved massive damage and didn't fall.
The chemical analysis of the steel which showed that a thermate reaction had taken place. Yes and this is a peer reviewed paper.
The video footage which shows the massive amount of damage in the basement of one of the towers.

And it all fits in neatly with the unusual power downs weeks before the event where people were moved between floors. Or when in one of the towers they turned off the power to the entire top half which was unheard of. Or all the huge amounts of dust inside the buildings (before 911) which could be explained by this type of work ..
The list just goes on and on and on

Most amusing of all, bin laden is not wanted in connection to 911. Huh what i hear you say ? Just look on the FBI website. When quized on this, their response was, because there was no evidence he did it.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 17:24:42

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A few islamic countries were pushing the US out. Having them in Iraq is what they wanted. I know people who worked on the new bases, and they said they are friggen huge. The US will be in Iraq indefinitely.


I have no doubt the US wanted Iraq ... but they eventually achieved that without the 911 angle.

The original plan was that Saddam would eventually be overthrown and a new government, that the US could deal with, would be put in his place.

Plan B would be to remove him by force.

Iraq had signed a peace agreement with the coalition forces after the first gulf war. The conditions of this treaty were always considered unjust by Saddam and the US knew that if they pushed hard enough he would eventually snap ... giving them a reason to invade.

To my knowledge there was no real pressure on the US to withdraw. Saudi Arabia, Kuiwait and other nations in that region wanted the US to stay just in case Saddam did happen to acquire new weaponary and once again become a threat.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Lighthouse » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 17:26:50

Here is Agent Lighthouse speaking! Put down your weapons and be prepared to be arrested because of subversive activities against your government within the next 15 Minutes. We know who you are, we have your IP and your ISP gave us your name and address.

He guys you are so full of it, it's not even funny anymore.

Did you even read what I wrote? Or is your IQ just this little bit to low to comprehend short and simple paragraphs?

One thing before I leave this thread. If someone accuses you of a capital crime you did not commit and presents dodgy evidence, you definitely do not want guys like you on the jury bench. You would be praying to have someone with analytical skills, who does not buy immediately into everything presented and is questioning everything to go on the bottom of things.

Actually your ignorance makes you blind. You are the best thing that could happen for your corrupt government. But the worst thing is that you are honestly and truly believing that you will show the world the truth about your corrupt government. But in doing this the way you are doing it, you ridicule the involvement of your government in 9/11 and much worse, because outing yourselves as completely incompetent and not able to follow simple scientific argumentation, you ridicule Peak Oil.

You don't even realise that, with believing - without checking - in not proven theories, and you do this passionate without questioning the theories and the facts, you are voluntary working, supporting and strengthen the culprits. And you are not even paid for it. Congratulations!

I doubt you will understand anything I've written in this post, besides the first paragraph - maybe, but I'm sure even this will be interpreted in the wrong way ...
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 17:28:25

I do know 911 was an inside job, but in all actuality, there is nothing anybody can do about it. Even if 75 % of people also believe it, nothing will ever change. Government workers, police and firemen were warned they would lose their pensions if they spoke out. It is the greatest crime in the history of the world, and it goes above and beyond Bush, Cheney, Condi and the US.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 17:33:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', '
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A few islamic countries were pushing the US out. Having them in Iraq is what they wanted. I know people who worked on the new bases, and they said they are friggen huge. The US will be in Iraq indefinitely.


I have no doubt the US wanted Iraq ... but they eventually achieved that without the 911 angle.

The original plan was that Saddam would eventually be overthrown and a new government, that the US could deal with, would be put in his place.

Plan B would be to remove him by force.

Iraq had signed a peace agreement with the coalition forces after the first gulf war. The conditions of this treaty were always considered unjust by Saddam and the US knew that if they pushed hard enough he would eventually snap ... giving them a reason to invade.

To my knowledge there was no real pressure on the US to withdraw. Saudi Arabia, Kuiwait and other nations in that region wanted the US to stay just in case Saddam did happen to acquire new weaponary and once again become a threat.


Not true. Their governments were being pressured to remove the US troops and bases. The US have scaled back in some of those countries.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 17:45:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '[')i]Here is Agent Lighthouse speaking! Put down your weapons and be prepared to be arrested because of subversive activities against your government within the next 15 Minutes. We know who you are, we have your IP and your ISP gave us your name and address.

He guys you are so full of it, it's not even funny anymore.

Did you even read what I wrote? Or is your IQ just this little bit to low to comprehend short and simple paragraphs?

One thing before I leave this thread. If someone accuses you of a capital crime you did not commit and presents dodgy evidence, you definitely do not want guys like you on the jury bench. You would be praying to have someone with analytical skills, who does not buy immediately into everything presented and is questioning everything to go on the bottom of things.

Actually your ignorance makes you blind. You are the best thing that could happen for your corrupt government. But the worst thing is that you are honestly and truly believing that you will show the world the truth about your corrupt government. But in doing this the way you are doing it, you ridicule the involvement of your government in 9/11 and much worse, because outing yourselves as completely incompetent and not able to follow simple scientific argumentation, you ridicule Peak Oil.

You don't even realise that, with believing - without checking - in not proven theories, and you do this passionate without questioning the theories and the facts, you are voluntary working, supporting and strengthen the culprits. And you are not even paid for it. Congratulations!

I doubt you will understand anything I've written in this post, besides the first paragraph - maybe, but I'm sure even this will be interpreted in the wrong way ...


pfft!! between this and KOKODA'S concern for the safety of the sacred knowledge of Peak Oil I almost lost my lunch 8)

You really must be kidding me?
911 truth suggests impeachment or worse as that is what traitors deserve.
911 truth suggests action in all arenas.
an awakening.
the same with peak oil.
Just because this is as far as you can go is no need to place the same limitations on the minds of others.
Its you......

What is it that you are suggesting again?
bwhahahahahahah

IQ?
Do you feel superior?

I only feel sorry for people like you.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 17:51:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') have no doubt the US wanted Iraq ... but they eventually achieved that without the 911 angle.


It has been confirmed that the attack on pearl harbour was allowed to happen. In the PNAC documents http://www.newamericancentury.org/ they said they needed a new pearl harbour. Once you realise that the government let pearl harbour happen to motivate the US population into accepting war you will realise that 911 had exactly the same effect. Without it there would have been no war. And without this war there would be no military presense, and military bases in and around iraq.

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Notice the date on this ? Scary huh ..
It might as well say, time to pre-emptively start a war on countries which haven't attacked us.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Lighthouse » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 18:43:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'p')fft!! between this and KOKODA'S concern for the safety of the sacred knowledge of Peak Oil I almost lost my lunch 8)

You really must be kidding me?
911 truth suggests impeachment or worse as that is what traitors deserve.
911 truth suggests action in all arenas.
an awakening.
the same with peak oil.
Just because this is as far as you can go is no need to place the same limitations on the minds of others.
Its you......

What is it that you are suggesting again?
bwhahahahahahah


I always thought you NEOPO have a very sharp analytical mind. Guess I was wrong ... It is a bit disappointing. I really thought you would argue a bit more intellectual ... You know I enjoy a good debate ...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I')Q?
Do you feel superior?


Not until reading your comments in this thread ...

Realty is much worse than all of your 9/11 conspiracy theories!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') only feel sorry for people like you.


Shut up and follow your leader! Continue to let other people control your life.

I've seen nothing original from you guys. Every single comment you made was based on someone else ideas, taken from some dodgy website.

It seems you have a so called "Cut and Paste" brain. Filled up with information and a lack of the ability to compile. You accept everything without questioning. Even if someone shows you where exactly your believes are flawed you are not able to comprehend. This behaviour is usually found in very religious people.

So go ahead, follow your leaders like "Heinlein rules" and throw up your lunch over science and stick with common sense. You are not even coming close to be a challenge for my "superior intellect". :P Disappointing, I thought you are better than that ...

PS: I'm still after a factual based scientific debate about 9/11. Anyone up to the task?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby greenworm » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 19:39:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m still after a factual based scientific debate about 9/11. Anyone up to the task?


I did. You basically ignored it, so this isn't really a debate at all. I still can't get over you solving the KE for the entire building. I sent the link to a guy I used to work with, he use to work for electric boat as well as abaqus and he laughed his ass off. He said it must be a student and I said as far as I know the guy has a degree. :lol: This thread is heading toward the dumpster as they all seem to do on these boards.
Anyways, here is a little story, one engineer shows another engineer how it wasn't possible for a building to collapse. The engineer looks over the data and concludes the same thing. The first engineer tells the second engineer that the building in question is wtc. The second engineer says that can't be. First engineer "why?". Second engineer, "cause the government wouldn't lie". Sadly a true story.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 19:59:08

Nice post greenworm
I think some people find it hard to believe because it's 'so big'
But when u look back in history at what governments have done or allowed to happen (pearl harbour) it's not really so surprising. Or opperation northwoods which describes killing americans needlessly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')peration Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.


Heres another nice little article, mostly ignored by the mainstream media. http://www.infowars.net/articles/decemb ... letree.htm
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