[Armageddon]

you mean a 600,000 steel beams flying over the highway when a building collapses straight down isnt normal. LOL, dont tell me, the jet fuel blew it over there ?

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'a')ll buildings fell at free fall speeds

[Armageddon]

lighthouse, you are sifting out the gnat and gulping down the camel

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'y')ou mean a 600,000 steel beams flying over the highway when a building collapses straight down isnt normal. LOL, dont tell me, the jet fuel blew it over there ?

[Armageddon]

most of the questions are answered if you would ever take the time to research the entire story.

1) Bush's brother was in charge of security up until 911 ( coincidence ? hardly )

2) The buildings were evacuated mysteriously on several occasions

3) Employees heard construction going on in many empty floors of both buildings.

[Armageddon]

On one of those pictures posted above, look over the fireman's shoulder. You will see a main steel column cut on a 45 degree angle. This is exactly how you would use thermite charges to cut it at the base. It then slides on the cut, and the building "walks" , as they say in demolition terms.

[Lighthouse]

I see, you can't answer my questions.

And I see that you obviously do not have the slightest idea about the amount of the forces in play here.

[Armageddon]

placing thermite on stretegic load bearing points and setting them off in a controlled mannor isnt that big of a deal. Its not rocket science.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'p')lacing thermite on stretegic load bearing points and setting them off in a controlled mannor isnt that big of a deal. Its not rocket science.

[Armageddon]

lighthouse, just out of curiosity , are you a believer in PO, or are you an abiotic believer ?

[dukey]

your physics if flawed, and yes i can do physics
i can do maths
i've even written a physics simulation in java
can u do that ? I doubt it. But let's go ..

I'll use this equation ... from newtons laws of physics

s = ut + ½at2

where:

s = the distance travelled from the initial state to the final state (displacement)
u = the initial speed
v = the final speed
a = the constant acceleration
t = the time taken to move from the initial state to the final state

I am going to work out how long it'll take for the very top of the tower to hit the ground, with using only gravity as the downward force.

The top of the tower is 417 metres tall (your source)
Gravity is 9.8ms^2. But I'll round it to 10 to make the maths cleaner.
The initial speed of the tower (when t=0) is obviously zero.
So ..

417 = 0t + 1/2at^2

417 = 1/2at^2

417 = 1/2 * -10t^2

417 = -5 t^2

417/5 = t^2

83 = t^2

t = 9 seconds

So it would take approximately 9 seconds for the top of the tower to hit the ground (assuming no air resistance etc). Everyone follow that maths ? I made it as clear as possible.

How long does it take in the video ?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... apse&hl=en

That is FREEFALL speeds.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o the collapse was at much less than free-fall rates.

[Armageddon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'p')lacing thermite on stretegic load bearing points and setting them off in a controlled mannor isnt that big of a deal. Its not rocket science.

[Lighthouse]

This whole thread is ridiculous. It seems none is really questioning anything. You are all repeating what other people tell you because it sounds logical and plausible. No need to check your sources with the facts, no need to do you own calculation. (Maybe you do not even know how to do them). You want to buy into the worst possible scenario and forget that in the end it comes down to one shocking conclusion:

It is most likely that your government failed on purpose to avoid 9/11 because of they had to gain so much if a couple of thousand people die in an spectacular event. And the best thing is all they had to do was sit back and watch.

As more you want them to have played an active part in it, like blowing up buildings, firing rockets in the pentagon, as less in becomes possible to prove their involvement. Just stick yo the known facts, to sound science and the truth is more shocking than blowing up a building. But as long this ridiculous theories are believed by people the government is save and the people responsible for it are laughing their ass off.

[dukey]

i didn't repeat that maths
i sat and calculated it to disprove your pathetic attempt at a physics rebutal

[Laughs_Last]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'H')ow do you explain all the eye witnesses saying they heard explosions going off in the building.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'i') didn't repeat that maths
i sat and calculated it to disprove your pathetic attempt at a physics rebutal

[Laughs_Last]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'A')s more you want them to have played an active part in it, like blowing up buildings, firing rockets in the pentagon, as less in becomes possible to prove their involvement. Just stick yo the known facts, to sound science and the truth is more shocking than blowing up a building. But as long this ridiculous theories are believed by people the government is save and the people responsible for it are laughing their ass off.

[dukey]

sigh

You are misunderstanding the maths.



Put the numbers back into the above formula ..

gravity = -9.8ms^2
time = 9.3 seconds ..

417 = 1/2 * - 9.8 ^2

So after 9 seconds displacement = 417 metres ! Your figure of 90 has nothing to do with it.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 's')igh

[dukey]

look


You calculated the FINAL speed. That is the speed whatever is travelling after it has been accelerating for 9.3 seconds (ie just before it hits the ground). Can you not understand simple maths ?
Is it so mind blowing ?