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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 06:42:52

Some common sense questions for armegeddon.

Why was thermite used to cut away the the pillars at the base of the WTC when they clearly wanted the building to collapse from the top?

If welding torches were not used to cut up the steel girders after the 911 attack what method did they use?

Why was wtc7 destroyed?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 08:05:29

how about both
on a building that size it probably took more than thermate cutter charges to take it down. The other explosives can not be proved scientifically because the evidence was mostly destroyed, however the evidence of the use of thermite is conclusive and a scientific fact.

Also one of the intertesting things about controlled demolition is they split the pillars up into lengths which your lifting and transporting equipment can deal with. This is one of the specific aims... and strangely when u see pictures of all the beams being carted off from ground zero they are all approximately the same size. We supposed to believe that is a coincidence also ? The majority of the steal was 'broken' into 30 foot sections, really quite convenient for the 30 foot trucks they were all shipped out on.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby davep » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 09:01:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', '.').. and strangely when u see pictures of all the beams being carted off from ground zero they are all approximately the same size. We supposed to believe that is a coincidence also ? The majority of the steal was 'broken' into 30 foot sections, really quite convenient for the 30 foot trucks they were all shipped out on.


Couldn't that be purely because any large lengths of steel were cut down to a uniform transportable size?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 10:26:08

nope
the building basically collapsed into a pile of approximately 30 foot sections.

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something which doesn't make sense is
if the pancake theory of collapse is correct and a million tonnes of steel and concrete landed in a pile, why on earth was there anything left of the base ?

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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 10:31:30

heres another pic
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the caption reads
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ortions of the perimeter tubes of World Trade Center Towers 1 and 2 that remained standing in the debris pile (as of 9/21/01)


If the pancake theory is correct, how in the world could that of happened ?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby davep » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 10:48:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'n')ope
the building basically collapsed into a pile of approximately 30 foot sections.

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Do you actually have any proof that these sections were transported as found? It does seem more logical that they were cut to size to aid transportation.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 14:09:25

dukey you are full of it.

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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 14:40:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'C')ollapsed into 30 foot sections!!!! dukey you are full of it.

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Go make a movie will ya?
Nothing anyone here says will convince me that my government was not involved and then seeing what they went on to do with their new found glory I am perfectly convinced that this was all part of the plan and if someone cant see how PEAK OIL fits nicely into all of this then I say that this person is blind by choice.

Loose Change made such a good argument that hmmm let me check....
loose change google video search

yeah millions of people have seen it and thousands have rated it very highly.
Give me $5000 and I will give you a PHD on a leash barking whatever tune you desire.
This is against the grain -this isnt easy - this isnt pleasurable.....

This isnt barbie doll shit here - this isnt britney spears or other pop distraction crap.
You gotta want to know to watch 1.5 hours of some technical footage and commentary.

Forget about it dave!!
Yer a dumbass to even try to uphold the official story or anything even slightly resembling it.

People know!!
Truths out!!
You will not reverse this trend.......

Thank you Richard Heinberg for being a man!!!
For doing what 99.9% of the spineless jellyfish could not do and associate 911 truth with peak oil truth.
Thank you......

Once I connected 911 with Peak Oil I noticed the profound effect this had on people and soon discovered that 911 truth actually helped some people come to grips with peak oil.
The truth folks - the truth will set us free.

Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut

Watch it again!!!

Then watch oil smoke and mirrors again.
Maybe once you get beyond your minds self defense mechanisms you will see.

heres some educational comedy that feeds right into all of this:

Robert Newman History of oil

Hello? is there anybody in there?
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Folks - dont let these dumbasses try to pigeon hole us into defending one aspect of 911.
This is a similar tactic to all of the white noise bullshit theories that soon followed 911.
This is similar to the tactics of the peak oil debunkers......

Its not that we cannot systematically strike down most if not all of their bullshit yet just like peak oil they do have most of the OFFICIALS on their side plus everything we could ever say has probably been said in a handful of very good documentaries.

Scholars for 911 truth

alot of data there huh?
Eww they have Phd's as well!!!
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 14:51:06

I think lighthouse is working from the inside. He is a paid propagandist spreading dis-information purposely just like jerome corsi did with abiotic oil, Because this stuff is too easy to figure out. 911=PO

America had two options :
1) power down and destroy the economy
2) fight for the oil

Which choice do YOU think they made ?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby dukey » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 14:53:56

lol just because they used torches to cut up some of the metal work doesn't mean most of the support columns weren't found in roughly 30 foot sections.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')liced Steel: In controlled demolitions of steel-frame buildings, explosives are used to slice the steel columns and beams into pieces. A representative from Controlled Demolition, Inc., has said of RDX, one of the commonly used high explosives, that it slices steel like a "razor blade through a tomato." The steel is, moreover, not merely sliced; it is sliced into manageable lengths. As Controlled Demolition, Inc., says in its publicity: “Our DREXSTM systems . . . segment steel components into pieces matching the lifting capacity of the available equipment.


then look at this pic

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Wow that looks just like it has been cut lol.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n that statement, Hoffman said that most of the sections seemed to be no more than 30-feet long. He later revised this, saying that, judging from an aerial image taken 12 days after the attacks, most of the pieces seemed to be between 24 and 48 feet long, with only a few over 50 feet. He also noted that “the lengths of the pieces bears little resemblance to the lengths of the steel parts known to have gone into the construction,” which means that one could not reasonably infer that the pieces simply broke at their joints


And back to building 7. Another strange coicidence lol

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http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion.htm

See how the central support collumns are blown first ?
Weird, looks very similar to this
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Must just be a coicidence which can be explained away by damage to the south side of random fires.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 14:56:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'I') think lighthouse is working from the inside. He is a paid propagandist spreading dis-information purposely just like jerome corsi did with abiotic oil, Because this stuff is too easy to figure out. 911=PO

America had two options :
1) power down and destroy the economy
2) fight for the oil

Which choice do YOU think they made ?

Exactly right.
Glad to see I am not alone with the Agent thing 8)

Weird isnt it?
I was basically begging certain people to unite PO with 911 truth once I found out the truth and then a month later here comes Heinberg!!
Excellent!!
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 15:01:27

heinberg and rupport know the truth. I bet simmons does too, but doesnt want to be involved at the moment. Too many nay sayers and this could hurt his PO repuation. He is better off focusing on PO right now. But it sure would be cool if he came on board.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 15:23:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'l')ol just because they used torches to cut up some of the metal work doesn't mean most of the support columns weren't found in roughly 30 foot sections.



But a lot of those sections were still embedded in the foundation of the building and had to be cut up and moved. The photograph of the "thermite" cut beam was obviously cut by a torch

This was not taken at the wtc but it does show the cutting technique used to bring down big sections of steel beams.

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Notice the slag and the angle of the cut.

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Now compare to this

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'l')mao, a welders torch ? So let me get this straight, a welder is going to cut this huge column with a torch ? For what reason ? Thats like saying that used a shovel when they starting loading the trucks for debris removel . And why would they cut it on a 45 degree angle ? Man , you people are brain dead.

by the way armegeddon you are also full of it.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 15:38:09

See what I mean about pigeon hole?

I have a buddy who does this and if I needed he could probably supply a picture of himself cutting large beams in a celtic knot pattern!!
He is quite talented like that 8)

Yeah kokoda yer right ....now go away ;-)
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby davep » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 15:39:35

NEOPO, it appears that he is correctly showing cutting techniques. Bluster and adhoms don't cut it in the real world.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 16:14:40

Thanks for the support davep but I didn't expect anything more from NEOPO.

The problem is that a lot of the conspiracy theorists have been so heavily brainwashed that they have become almost incapable of seeing the truth or thinking things out for themselves.

If you present them with evidence the will either bluster (like NEOPO) straight out deny evidence, present misleading information and try to change the subject (like dukey) or just babble on without thinking and ignore the facts (like armegeddon).
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 16:18:24

I guess you failed to see the molten steel underneath the cut in the 911 picture. It was a MUCH better cut , obviousely from thermite. And btw, thermite can melt steel just like the picture indicates. Your picture shows steel being cut by a torch. See the difference ? Thanks for helping me make my point.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 16:20:27

Thats funny kokoda, thats the same as we think about you sheeple. baaahhhhhhh, follow your leader and get back into your pen.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby davep » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 16:27:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'T')hats funny kokoda, thats the same as we think about you sheeple. baaahhhhhhh, follow your leader and get back into your pen.


I think we're all here because we've taken a certain mental leap that the "sheeple" haven't. Peak Oil will happen (or has happened) whether your theories are correct or not. We know that the US will try to defend it's resource supplies, using whatever means are available. Wasting time and energy on whether the instigators of 9/11 were the US or others is moot. The US used it anyway. They may well have attacked Iraq anyway.

The point is that PO is happening. Deal with it and create the best environment for you and your loved ones. Don't waste your energy fighting shadows.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 16:37:24

Your apathy is apparent.

Ask yourself why do you bother Dave?
Why do you bother Kokoda?
Worried the sheeple will think the wrong thing?

Same shit could be said about any PO plans but I am not listening and will continue to prep.

Sorry but some of us are doing that and still looking out.

Fucking pathetic really it is.
As if this means nothing - thats basically what you are saying.

Ya know we had this same conversation on another thread and in the end the same BULLSHIT was said.
"doesnt matter - cant do anything about it" - etc etc ....

Sad pieces of shit you are - apathetic bags of shit.

If we could look into your mind we would probably see that you are OKAY with what is happening as long as you have yours.
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