[greenworm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n other words your conspiracy theory is crap ... deal with it.

[Armageddon]

Most people I talk to about 911 and it being an inside job have never heard of wtc 7. No wonder they dont believe it was an inside job, they fail to research and investigate the facts. Too much trouble and lack of time I assume. There is no logical explaination as to why wtc 7 collapsed onto its own footprint when it had only a couple small fires and it only burned for a few hours, and the owner said to "pull it ". It takes weeks to position explosives in strategic places for a 50 story builiding to be imploded and brought down so perfectly. Many, and I mean many demolition experts and engineers agree it was emploded.

[greenworm]

I think armageddon summed it up nicely.

Refute wtc7, I double dare you.

[kokoda]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'I') think armageddon summed it up nicely.

Refute wtc7, I double dare you.

[Armageddon]

The invasion of Iraq was needed so the US could build permanent military bases right in the heart of 60 % of the worlds known proven oil reserves. With PO looming, and other oil producing arab countries wanting the US to scale back or remove the US bases entirely, the US needed Iraq to build these bases and have military dominance in the region. The US may have underestimated the insurgency, but they still have plenty of fire power to launch an attack anywhere in the middle east if needed. 911 was the event it needed to attack and control Iraq and build these bases.

[kokoda]

I have no doubt that the US is in Iraq for the oil.

What I am disputing is the link that this has to 911.

Lets assume that 911 was some sort of elaborate hoax.

Why would they blame Al Qaeda?

There is no love lost between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Even the US spin doctors made no real attempt to link the invasion of Iraq with the war on terror. The reason given was to disarm Saddam because of the threat he posed to US interests.

The events of 911 played no real role in the US invasion of Iraq.

That being the case what was the point of 911?

What strategic gains were made from the US action in Afghanistan?

US and Nato forces are still tied up in Afghanistan ... and will be for some time yet. Soldiers that the US would no doubt prefer to have in Iraq.

[Armageddon]

You cant just go invade a country without a reason or a cause. The american people would never allow it. 911 was the cause. The US had two choices. Power down , or fight for the remaining resources. We know their choice.

[greenworm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')here are many perfectly rational explanations as to why WTC 7 fell down.

[kokoda]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'Y')ou cant just go invade a country without a reason or a cause. The american people would never allow it. 911 was the cause. The US had two choices. Power down , or fight for the remaining resources. We know their choice.

[Armageddon]

find out what was in wtc 7, then you will see why it was destroyed also.

[GreenMarine]

There are many ways for all of us here to view 9/11. For some people like myself, I discovered WTC 7 and many other weak government lies. Which directed me later on to Peak Oil. I was in boot camp on Sept. 11 2001, my platoon was on the rifle range that day. The Drill Instructors told no one, until Sept. 13. And when they did they told us all it was done by Militant Islam from Afghanistan. When I finally got out of boot camp, I was able to watch TV videos. By this time though most of the MSM had directed all stories and evidence in their favor. I do not believe for a moment that the strongest country in the world would have their defences down for as long as they did. I'm not saying every one was in on it, I'm just a man who has questioned 9/11. And I feel like most people that question 9/11, I'm just trying to connect the dots. Maybe everything is connected or not. There are 3 things I do know about 9/11. One WTC7 was not hit by a plane and when compared to a demolition video looks almost the same. Two Firemen and NY police have gag orders that prevent them from speaking about 9/11, or have their pensions risked. Three The government did not treat this like any other investigation that has happened like this in history, they destroyed evidence as soon as the large pools of molten lead cooled started to haul off debris.

In the end you can shun 9/11 doubters, but for some of us it is what brought us to PO. I just hope people that are aware of PO might also become aware about 9/11. That's why we are all here to think beyond ourselves and view the world as it really is with one another.

[Armageddon]

good post. Believe me when I tell you PO and 911 go hand in hand. We know 911 was an inside job ( Norad standing down for first time in history, insider trading, wtc 7, Bush's reaction, several people warned not to fly, The list goes on and on ). But there has to be a logical reason as to why the whole thing had to happen. And most of us on this site know that PO is going the be the biggest thing in human history, and Bush and Cheney also know this. So they sacfarficed a few thousand lives to make it look like the US was under attack. They used this for a pretext to wage war, attack and occupy Iraq, build huge permanent military bases in the heart of over 60 % of the proven oil reseves on the planet. Miliitary dominance in the region is what they achieved. They will be in Iraq indefinitely. Why do they think they will not leave ?

[greenworm]

GreenMarine,

Well said, there is literally tons of strange occurrences surrounding this event that it boggles the mind. I actually regret asking them, but I'm too dam inquisitive.

Who owns security at these buildings?


That oughta open up a can of worms.

[NEOPO]

So many misconceptions so little time.

Occam's razor
This directly applies to most theories and especially so to Kam's sentiments.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... =911&hl=en[/url]
The history of War

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ose+change
Loose Change

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IHgFwYeB-Y
911 Press for Truth
[url=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=america+freedom+to+fascism+duration%3Along&hl=en]
America Freedom to Fascism[/url]

MONEY MASTERS - HOW INTERNATIONAL BANKERS GAINED CONTROL OF AMERICA

Just a small list of links that I highly recommend viewing as a more accurate account of history.
I am afraid that without some "other" inputs it may be difficult for most mind's to take even the humblest of baby steps toward the truth.
Square pegs are hard to remove from round holes.

At what point do people realize "I am being manipulated"..?
One answer to that question is "possibly never" and as far as TPTB are concerned "hopefully never".
Yet when we do come to some new realization it is a complicated and painful process so the fact that most people avoid, ignore and/or violently oppose 911 MIHOP should come as no surprise.

I was not surprised to see some of the best PO minds come out in support of 911 MIHOP - my only question was what took them and me so long??????

Why were we afraid to infect our sacred PO cow with other "conspiracy twists" when to most outsiders looking in we were already part of a nutty conspiracy cult?

This applies especially so to the ones who do not care or do not want the world to be aware of PO.
Why not distance our sacred cow further afield.....

[Armageddon]

dont forget this video. It is a true eye opener. It shows how government sponsored terror has been happening for a long time.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... rror+storm

Alex Jones is very good, but for some reason he misses the boat on PO.

[GreenMarine]

Armegeddon I agree with you on every thing you said about 9/11. I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut, but I feel that people like Alex Jones could be gate keepers of information. Disinformation is fight that continues everyday on the web. There is no way every one on here will have the same views and solutions. This is an alternate view about Alex Jones. I don't know if this should be a new post but here it is.


http://www.opposingdigits.com/alex/

[GreenMarine]

Also things like this cause infighting of ideas. Even if the Government Published a book with everything that is the truth, their will still be people who doubt it, and will cry conspiracy.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', '.').. We know 911 was an inside job ...

[Armageddon]

pancaking is the most rediculous conclusion of all. The videos of the towers do not show pancaking, it shows the towers collapsing at free fall speed. Floors pancaking onto the floors underneath of each other would take longer because of the resistance . Thats a law of physics. Also, there were huge steel center columns and outer columns that would be still standing if the floors pancaked. Steel structures are way too strong to pancake. Granted, the floors between the steel structures could pancake, but the steel frame of the building would still be left standing.

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', '.').. We know 911 was an inside job ...