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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 23:39:21

you can see molten steel dripping down the 45 degree cut. Evidence of thermite. Take off your blinders
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 23:46:00

It's the picture where the the fireman is standing. Look over his right shoulder and you will see the 45 degree angle cut.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 23:53:56

Since I'm giving you a hard time today anyhow, it is spelled Armageddon.

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i know, but it was too late to change it after I realised I made a mistake. lol. oh well, it makes me unique.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Laughs_Last » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 00:18:46

I guess I just don't see it.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby oilfreeandhappy » Mon 20 Nov 2006, 16:09:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laughs_Last', 'I') guess I just don't see it.
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Exactly my point. We could all see it, if they wouldn't ahve destroyed the evidence.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Tue 21 Nov 2006, 06:23:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'I')t's the picture where the the fireman is standing. Look over his right shoulder and you will see the 45 degree angle cut.

Sorry ... all I can see is a steel beam that was obviously cut with a welder's torch.

This beam would have been cut up and removed as part of the clean up operation.

This photo isn't dated ... but I am guessing that it would have been taken several days after the collapse and the photographer wouldn't have been allowed in until after some of the major hazards ... such as precariously weakened steal girders ... had been removed.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 21 Nov 2006, 10:17:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'I')t's the picture where the the fireman is standing. Look over his right shoulder and you will see the 45 degree angle cut.

Sorry ... all I can see is a steel beam that was obviously cut with a welder's torch.

This beam would have been cut up and removed as part of the clean up operation.

This photo isn't dated ... but I am guessing that it would have been taken several days after the collapse and the photographer wouldn't have been allowed in until after some of the major hazards ... such as precariously weakened steal girders ... had been removed.


wow, and people wonder why ?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby greenworm » Tue 21 Nov 2006, 20:37:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')TC conspiracy theorists need to go back to school and get some degrees in engineering.


I did that, unfortunately, it taught me that center beam support buildings have 0 probability of collapsing into its own footprint. Dam it!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ravity did the rest.


Who the hell turned up gravity on that day.

Hey buddy, why don't you ask important questions, like, umm, who is in charge of security for the building and uh, why did wtc7 implode?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kam30en » Tue 21 Nov 2006, 22:21:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow come no weapons of mass destruction were ever found in Iraq?

Any government capable of pulling off a stunt like destroying the World Trade Center, and then blaming it all on a bunch of terrorists, should have no problems in planting some evidence of biological or nuclear weapons research in Iraq.



Wow, I never thought of this. I didn't believe the conspiracy theories before, and now I believe them even less. Certainly it would be easier to plant some WMDs in some far away country than to pull off the INSANE logistics of a 9/11 conspiracy in Manhattan (and no one ratting). I always say the simplest explanation is usually the truth. A woman is killed. Who killed her......first look at the husband, 90% chance he did it. Who blew up the world trade center......99% chance it's the same guys who tried to blow it up once before and failed.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Wed 22 Nov 2006, 17:38:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kam30en', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow come no weapons of mass destruction were ever found in Iraq?

Any government capable of pulling off a stunt like destroying the World Trade Center, and then blaming it all on a bunch of terrorists, should have no problems in planting some evidence of biological or nuclear weapons research in Iraq.



Wow, I never thought of this. I didn't believe the conspiracy theories before, and now I believe them even less. Certainly it would be easier to plant some WMDs in some far away country than to pull off the INSANE logistics of a 9/11 conspiracy in Manhattan (and no one ratting). I always say the simplest explanation is usually the truth. A woman is killed. Who killed her......first look at the husband, 90% chance he did it. Who blew up the world trade center......99% chance it's the same guys who tried to blow it up once before and failed.


And this is of course why this particular conspiracy theory is so dumb.

If it was all about the oil then why was it used as a pretext for attacking Afghanistan?

Even Bush's stupidest advisors would have realised that there was no oil there ... and the disasterous effort by the Russians to control the country a couple of decades ago would have told them that an attack against this place would be best avoided if possible.

If they wanted an excuse to attack Iraq then why not simply implicate Saddam directly in the 911 attacks?

You see none of this conspiracy theory make a lick of sense when you look at the big picture.

If you want to know the real reason the WTC fell down then just have a look at a closeup of the 757s cutting through the side of the building like a giant knife ... no doubt tearing apart a lot of the buildings metal framework in the process. Then imagine the blast furnace effect that would have ocurred when 10,000 gallons of aviation fuel starts to burn. Steel doesn't have to reach melting point to collapse ... it loses a lot of its structural strength at a fraction of that temperature.

As for pancaking not being possible ... of course it is. With the entire weight of the upper floors collapsing directly down onto the floor below what else do you think would happen? Videos clearly show what happened. The building fractured right where the planes impacted.

There is no mystery here.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby davep » Wed 22 Nov 2006, 18:20:32

OK, I don't think the WTC was a conspiracy. It may have been, but this has bugger-all to do with Peak Oil except that the US may have needed an excuse to invade Iraq (which had no al-qaeda anyway).

Peak Oil would happen with or without 9/11. It really annoys me when people try to make the link between the two. If your want to get more people to listen, cut the conspiracy crap. It just alienates people. Peak Oil can stand on its own two feet and doesn't need conspiracy theorists.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 30 Nov 2006, 15:06:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t really annoys me when people try to make the link between the two.


I know how you feel, it really annoys me when people ignore physics. The difference between peak oil and 911 is that 911 is backed up by math, however, peak oil is based on faith. Sure, you will see tons of graphs, but do you sheeple even question if it is all being reported properly. One guy says the weight collapsed it, BULLSH*T, you will find no equation on earth that will back up this hot air. Now if you took five minutes of your day and understood how Afghanistan is important in terms of pipeline (think Enron) and you see who is in charge of security of the wtc, and look at how the third building was taken down you would see that someone conspired to take these 3 buildings down. Did wtc7 pancake? If you believe so, you're an idiot.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby davep » Thu 30 Nov 2006, 16:48:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t really annoys me when people try to make the link between the two.


I know how you feel, it really annoys me when people ignore physics. The difference between peak oil and 911 is that 911 is backed up by math, however, peak oil is based on faith.


Rubbish. The concept of peak oil is based on diminishing availability of a finite resource. It's hardly faith based.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'S')ure, you will see tons of graphs, but do you sheeple even question if it is all being reported properly. One guy says the weight collapsed it, BULLSH*T, you will find no equation on earth that will back up this hot air. Now if you took five minutes of your day and understood how Afghanistan is important in terms of pipeline (think Enron) and you see who is in charge of security of the wtc, and look at how the third building was taken down you would see that someone conspired to take these 3 buildings down. Did wtc7 pancake? If you believe so, you're an idiot.


Peak oil (which just happens to be the subject of these boards) is relevant. 9/11, whether a conspiracy or not, just muddies the waters (IMO). I wouldn't put it past some in the US to have done such a thing, but I don't think energy is best spent on the matter unless you want to study structural engineering. Even if you do, why would you necessarily glean more than other engineers? If you don't have enough facts you'll be wasting your life and energy on something you have no control over, which could become quite self-destructive.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Thu 30 Nov 2006, 16:53:46

I take it you are talking about the Trans-Afghan Pipeline plan.

Honestly if you think that was the reason behind 911 you are grasping at straws. No wonder you didn't go into any detail.

There are easier methods of getting oil and gas out of the Caspian Basin.

Perhaps you should try dropping the "Conspiracy 101" course at uni and take look at conservation of momentum or the relationship between mass and acceleration instead.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 30 Nov 2006, 19:54:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')onestly if you think that was the reason behind 911 you are grasping at straws. No wonder you didn't go into any detail.


I notice you did the same. :lol: Why don't you eat your straw. Karzai was elected for the people, by the people, hip hip hurray.

quote from some source, but honestly if you type it into google you could find the same thing in a million other articles.

The trans-Afghan pipeline is second step (after the Baku-Ceyhan pipeline) toward achieving this objective . By bypassing northern or western routes, the trans-Afghan pipeline will eliminate dependency on Russia or Iran.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ubbish. The concept of peak oil is based on diminishing availability of a finite resource. It's hardly faith based.



Give me a date? yawn.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby davep » Thu 30 Nov 2006, 20:01:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ubbish. The concept of peak oil is based on diminishing availability of a finite resource. It's hardly faith based.



Give me a date? yawn.


Are you genuinely saying that one has to give a date for the principle of p.o. to hold? So, in your little world, all things being equal - if somebody withholds the correct oil reserve data we are debunked? The principle of Peak Oil basically needs nothing more than the existence of an extracted-to-the-hilt finite resource. I hope you're just playing a poor version of devil's advocate.

Can I take it from the fact that you preferred to reply with the above quip, rather than reply to:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'P')eak oil (which just happens to be the subject of these boards) is relevant. 9/11, whether a conspiracy or not, just muddies the waters (IMO). I wouldn't put it past some in the US to have done such a thing, but I don't think energy is best spent on the matter unless you want to study structural engineering. Even if you do, why would you necessarily glean more than other engineers? If you don't have enough facts you'll be wasting your life and energy on something you have no control over, which could become quite self-destructive.


that you agree with the latter?
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 30 Nov 2006, 20:15:56

I am not denying peak oil, I truly believe it will happen in my life time, but I think it is a later date then some believe around here.

The point I am trying to make is that you'll freely believe in peak oil despite the fact that the data given to you is not completely accurate, however, when presented with indisputable facts of structural engineering you don't come to the same conclusion. I just find that odd.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby davep » Thu 30 Nov 2006, 20:20:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'I') am not denying peak oil, I truly believe it will happen in my life time, but I think it is a later date then some believe around here.

The point I am trying to make is that you'll freely believe in peak oil despite the fact that the data given to you is not completely accurate, however, when presented with unsubstantiated facts of structural engineering you don't come to the same conclusion. I just find that odd.


I'm just too old to expend what energy I have on pursuing something that may just consume me, with no possibility of a positive outcome from my efforts. I'm in no way denying that the US Govt could be behind a lot of this stuff, I just don't see how focusing on it would do me any good. I've got little enough time to pursue my post-peak skill-building as it is without that kind of distraction.

Each to their own I guess. :wink:
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby kokoda » Thu 30 Nov 2006, 20:21:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')onestly if you think that was the reason behind 911 you are grasping at straws. No wonder you didn't go into any detail.


I notice you did the same. :lol: Why don't you eat your straw. Karzai was elected for the people, by the people, hip hip hurray.

quote from some source, but honestly if you type it into google you could find the same thing in a million other articles.

The trans-Afghan pipeline is second step (after the Baku-Ceyhan pipeline) toward achieving this objective . By bypassing northern or western routes, the trans-Afghan pipeline will eliminate dependency on Russia or Iran.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ubbish. The concept of peak oil is based on diminishing availability of a finite resource. It's hardly faith based.



Give me a date? yawn.


Yeah right ... like you aren't obviously getting all your info from google.

Here is something else I found on Google.

"The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline links Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey. Oil is then shipped to Western markets."

In other words your conspiracy theory is crap ... deal with it.
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Re: Recent Video on Peak Oil

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 30 Nov 2006, 20:22:54

I have alot of free time. :lol:


Well, good luck, I am ahead of the curve on that one, so if you have any questions about living off the land and such, don't be afraid to ask.
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