[Vexed]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')e: Age 26 or older? What were you thinking?

[rogerhb]

This Golf GTI burns alot of oil.... (I do mean oil! It was ok on the petrol consumption).

[quizz]

I caught the tail-end of the 70's energy crisis. But then it was lull-a-bye time as the U.S. went back to sleep, IMHO. But I think alot of us retained the behavior pattern if you experienced the lines at the gas station. I chase my kids around turning off lights, minimizing the A/C use, avoiding wasting gas on unnecessary car trips. They think it's nonsense of course - partly because they're kids, partly because they have only known gas stations always have gas, electric company always gives electricty.

So I guess it's like the old-timers living through the Depression. My wife has a grandmother from that era and she will not leave a restaurant without finishing the glass of water. They retained certain behaviors but meanwhile she lived in a house with oil heat and A/C.

So a similar question could be framed what were we thinking between 1929 and 2006 if we go into another Depression due to PO. The answer would be the same I guess. We went about raising kids, getting ready for retirement, etc. Kind of like that quote in the Bible ...
For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. (NIV Bible, Matthew 24:37)

[WildRose]

I am older than 26. I grew up in the oil and natural gas hub of Alberta and drove happily everywhere for decades. The first inkling for me that something was wrong was just the feeling that I had about all the cars in the city where I live. Over the years, the city streets have become steadily more congested, which is a source of irritation for me and I always did think about the environmental damage the exhaust was causing. Also, as a person who has always loved running/walking with my kids and dogs, I looked for places to do these things without breathing the car-polluted air. And just the sheer number of vehicles on the road seemed to me like so many ants in an anthill.

After high school and working in various jobs, I attended a technical college and have been working in a paramedical field since (except for a year when I studied education at university). After 911 happened, I guess I was satisfied for a while that the US government was doing the right things for the right reasons, but after some time I thought it didn't make sense that all of those specialized troops could not find Bin Laden. About that time, I started to hear others being vocal about the reason for invasion being oil, and I started to think there may be something to that. Therefore, in the summer of 2005 when I came across a technocracy pamphlet by accident and read it, I stumbled across information that sent me investigating a number of web sites and learning about peak oil.

When I was younger I never questioned the availability of oil, especially, I think, because Alberta's economy is all about oil and I could see the evidence of that everywhere. I know I learned in school that it is a finite resource, but I guess I just figured there was enough left in the ground to last a very long time.

Fast forward to the last few years, and I noticed the content of my children's homework assignments having more emphasis on resources and the finite nature of them. Last September, they brought home current events assignments that stated the supply of oil would last only 30 more years. This really got my attention because the assertion was that we would only have oil for 30 more years, not that peak would be here in 30 years. Of course, this was just a couple months after my introduction to peak oil via the technocracy pamphlet.

Overall, I suppose I just took a lot for granted when I was younger. My life has been very full and has kept me busy. I'm spending more of my "free" time now reading and learning, digging and noticing. Sometimes the future looks awful to me but I still prefer to focus on the things I can do, especially for our young people's sake.

[Stargazer]

Hi guys. First post. I've been lurking for a while and I thought this would be a good place to jump in.

I was 21 in 2000, working towards a degree in computing. I first became aware of peak oil recently, when doing research into why fuel prices are so high and why they spiked recently here in the UK. It's just shy of £1 a litre here.

There were a few websites that kept coming up whenever I googled about the subject: LATOC, wolfatthedoor.org.uk, and peakoil.com

Now, I'm hitting those websites nearly every day, searching for as much info as I can take in, trying to determine a timeline for peak, and trying to decide if I should jack in my career in computing - the most useless post-peak career I can imagine.

Thanks to frugal living during my time as a student, I was able to pay off what little debt I had managed to build up in a very short time. Following the posts on these boards, I feel incredibly relieved that I've been able to do that. I've known fellow students who owe five-figure sums of money, and reckon they won't ever be able to pay it off. The grave will be their only release from debt. I feel sorry for them, knowing what will happen when P.O hits.

[WildRose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stargazer', 'H')i guys. First post. I've been lurking for a while and I thought this would be a good place to jump in.

There were a few websites that kept coming up whenever I googled about the subject: LATOC, wolfatthedoor.org.uk, and peakoil.com
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[Stargazer]

Thanks for the welcome, WildRose.

I'm becoming more and more aware of oil - or energy - peaking every day here. The media runs stories that on the surface appear to be unrelated, but when viewed through the prism of peak oil, it all begins to come together.

The latest media hype is about the government apparently being determined to go ahead and build nuclear power plants or "face rolling blackouts in 15 years time."

I wonder how they are going to run the things safely when the oil-powered society we live in starts to run down.

[Waterthrush]

I am middle aged, old enough that, like MicroHydro I viewed the original Star Trek as a child, at an age where the sometimes rather obvious fables made a deep impression, and got me thinking in longer terms.

I was always interested in history and was trained as an historian, an education for which I will always be thankful. Thinking historically helps me visualize societal change, analyze the events I see unfolding, and understand my own place in it all. I can at least partly see the slow unfolding of long term economic changes, but I can understand the suddenness that sometimes happens as well. Many of you cited 9-11. That to me though was part of a larger "narrative" of which the first Gulf War and the Russian invasion of Afghanistan were also part. For me, the real eye-opener to the suddenness of change were the revolutions in Eastern Europe in 1989-90. I never thought in my lifetime the two Germanys would be united. I never thought the Soviet Union would disintegrate like that. It really helped me visualize how suddenly things could change (and brought, for example, the revolutions of 1848 more vividly to life). Now I understand.

I've been aware of Peak Oil for a long time. I was also aware of the fragility of all sorts of infrastructure long before 9-11. People remind me how I used to talk about how precarious it all was. I was never in an economic position to make overall preparations for Peak Oil, but I have generally kept it in mind as I got a job, bought a home, and planned for the future. I am reasonably prepared for near-term effects, poorly prepared for the larger scale effects.

One of my jobs in graduate school was to drive my boss's car to the gas stations during the first oil shocks. I remember that quite vividly (only time I ever drove a luxury car!). But, like another poster, to me the issue was nuclear war. I was acutely aware that the nuclear genie was out, or would be out, of the bottle within my lifetime. I was also very aware of the Holocaust, and those two events convinced me that either the human race had to evolve, or die. I still think that. I know how easily many people gravitate towards becoming part of a group - Team A or Team B - and are unable or unwilling to leave that mindset. Some at Peak Oil are like that - "if you don't stomp on your enemy first, then you will be stomped on" - and they would say that any other attitude is delusional and suicidal. I say rather that they are the ones who are committing suicide. With the advent of nuclear weapons, and, now the possibility of poisoning the only planet capable of supporting life, either we evolve into a kinder, gentler species - or we all die. I'd rather go down evolving!

So, my care and attention has been devoted to environmental concerns. I see wonderful things almost every day. I am encouraged by how the natural world rebounds when we give it sufficient care. Did you know the first wild-born chicks of a painstakingly nurtured East Coast whooping crane flock have just hatched? Operation Migration There are really, really good people around who care about the world. We could do this, if people would just pay attention.

I went to see An Inconvenient Truth and allowed myself to believe that we can make this a better world.

So, yes, I was paying attention all along. I am mentally prepared for at least some of the effects of Peak Oil, and I'm keeping a written journal for future historians (assuming there will be such!)

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Waterthrush', 'S')o, yes, I was paying attention all along. I am mentally prepared for at least some of the effects of Peak Oil, and I'm keeping a written journal for future historians (assuming there will be such!)

[jvangi]

I'm 29.

Of course I knew that oil was a finite ressource but why should I care?
Ecologists were just party poopers... and I was too lazy to think about it.

But in early 2005 I fortuitously read the book "A green history of the world". Then I started to wonder about oil, don't ask me why.
Then the world changed for me.

But I can tell you one thing: without the Internet, I would probably not have bothered about getting documentation on the topic, I am too lazy!

Today I am still lazy but fortunately the Internet is still working and I can informed myself easily to get prepared for the big mess.

Well, just to emphasize one of the numerous paradox life is full of: Without oil, no internet, no information for lazy people so more oil consumption so finally internet, informed lazy people and... wathever... THE WALL.

[Waterthrush]

Doly, you asked about perspective - historians are mostly focused on the past, lol. I do want to note, though, as others have, that fairly abrupt changes are already taking place in poorer countries. The rationing and unaffordable prices that we talk about here are a reality already in some parts of the world.

For here, the US, I think the economic changes will come rather suddenly, as financial problems often do come on quickly. The economy is pretty tied together, and right now is resting on the willingness of the rest of the world to continue to buy US treasuries, full knowing that the US will simply inflate its economy (i.e. print more dollar bills) to pay for it now, it's just too burdensome to deal with it otherwise. And other central banks will collaborate. But, the reality, I think, is that the US consumer is tapped out, and peak oil is silently increasing its bite every month. If not now, then after the elections, there'll be economic hardship.

The chatter on financial channels has ABRUPTLY turned bearish in the past week.

[Waterthrush]

Want to add one thing: reliable birth control will have an increasing effect once the economic situation goes south. I think we already are seeing a dramatic drop in the birthrate of 20-somethings. The enormous expense of middle-class childrearing is already apparent.

24 year old interns with no health insurance are delaying having children.

[traz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', 'W')as it like food comes from the grocery store, electricity from the wall socket, and gasoline from the service station? You never thought beyond that? You assumed that wise, kindly responsible adults were going to take care of things to ensure your abundant energy future forever? Isn't literature fully of stories about powerful people being full of greed, deception, and folly? What about Macbeth or Richard III?

[auwolf]

I'm 27. I read briefly about peak oil (it wasn't called that though where I read about it) in 2003, but forgot about it TBH. I was in the middle of a PhD, planning to go to America (my first ever overseas trip and by myself at that) and the day to day grind of bills etc took over everything else. In 2004 I had a child, and it seems my life has changed so much just from that. I have always been sympathetic to environmental causes though pretty apathetic about doing anything about it (mostly because I felt my family would think I was "silly" - my most rebellious act was to go vegetarian in 2003) but having my daughter has enabled me to strengthen my core values and, in questioning mainstream parenting values, I've started to question everything. I would have to say my degree DID teach me how to think critically, but mainly because I had some awesome lecturers. Most of my friends do not bother to question or think for themselves. Even my "husband" (we're not married, just engaged, but in the eyes of the law we're de facto) is a bit head in the sand, doesn't like to question anything unless I bring it to his attention.

So anyway, in contemplating my daughter's future it became very apparent that things were not good. I knew oil was a finite resource, but stemming from my childhood, I guess we believe that if it was a problem the government will tell us (HA! Yeah right). So I figured it would not happen in my lifetime... but with rising fuel prices, and a sense of concern, I have been feeling the need to simplify our life and power down ever since I climbed out of the dark pit of depression I was in after her birth. However I wasn't able to convince my OH of this need and he gets resentful if he thinks his toys and lifestyle are being taken away *sigh* so when someone finally posted the link to LATOC I was able to pinpoint my fears and show him something and say "THIS is why I'm scared of the future". He still hasn't read the whole article but he's coming around slowly to doing some things to prepare.

So in summary, what was I thinking? I wasn't, I was too distracted by life. I was overwhelmed by a feeling that nothing I could do would make a difference. The economic talk and a lot of the scientific talk on this forum goes right over my head, I'm here because of a gut feeling, because I'm a mother, and because I now question everything. :D

[WildRose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('auwolf', '
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So in summary, what was I thinking? I wasn't, I was too distracted by life. I was overwhelmed by a feeling that nothing I could do would make a difference. The economic talk and a lot of the scientific talk on this forum goes right over my head, I'm here because of a gut feeling, because I'm a mother, and because I now question everything. :D

[auwolf]

Thanks Wildrose! She's 2 in three weeks and the years DO go so quickly! I'm amazed by some of my friends; mothers, who don't want to find out about PO because they'll get too depressed . It makes me sad. I spoke about it briefly today and mentioned there are things you can do to prepare in small ways so hopefully they decide to educate themselves.

[halcyon]

This reminds me of a Danish saying:

"We are all going to hell,
but at least we are travelling 1st class."

I think that pretty much sums it up.

(and if you think you are not travelling 1st class, most likely you are, if you get electricity from a wall socket, have a car in your yard and drink clean water from a tap).

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('halcyon', '
')(and if you think you are not travelling 1st class, most likely you are, if you get electricity from a wall socket, have a car in your yard and drink clean water from a tap).

[Pretorian]

I knew that we are to be screwed at the age of 12-13., way back in 1989-1991. I was expecting tshtf thing to happen in 2030-2035, no earlier than that. PO theory makes me think it will be 2012-2016, with steady quality of life decline. I dont beleive in fast crash here in usa, though I do want one.

[Tanada]

Back in 1982, when I was in High School, I was hugely aware of the energy problems we are facing today (and back then) but I was re-assured by TPTB that lots of things were lined up to save us, cheifly Shale Oil (Kerogen) was soon going to be flowing out of Utah and Colorado and make the USA energy idependent again. When I got my first car in 1985 gasoline was $1.249 per gallon and I couldn't afford to drive as much as I wanted too. Late the very next year gasoline was $.869 per gallon (The lowest I have seen it in 20+ years of driving) and we all fell back to sleep assured that TPTB had things under controll. I remember the spike from Deasert Storm, but that was short lived and the dire predictions about Burgan were proven wrong within months. After that prices were all down hill until about 2000. When Gasoline hit $2.02 per gallon I woke back up and started paying attention again, in April 05 I found this web forum and well, you know the rest