Remember Remember the 5th of November
The gunpowder treason and plot.
I know of no reason that the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot.
Here's wishing you all a happy 5th of November and hoping you each find a bit of insurrection in your lives.
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Remember Remember the 5th of November
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Remember Remember the 5th of November
by smallpoxgirl » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 00:21:24
"We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Re: Remember Remember the 5th of November
by NEOPO » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 01:18:38
It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
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Re: Remember Remember the 5th of November
by Jack » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 01:32:39
And a happy 5th of November to you as well.
How interesting it is, when art imitates life.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson
How interesting it is, when art imitates life.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Remember Remember the 5th of November
by bobcousins » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 07:14:30
If you wish to celebrate insurrection, 5th of November is a sad day.
The 5th of November celebrates the fact that Guy Fawkes' insurrection against the State failed, and the Protestant State prevailed. Fawkes was regarded as a Catholic terrorist. Anti-Catholic feeling was widespread and encouraged by the Protestant authorities, and there were even anti-Catholic riots. In some parts, an effigy of the Pope is burned instead of Guy Fawkes.
The adoption of Protestantism by Britain was purely a political move to wrest power from the Pope. The people were persuaded to switch from Catholicism with suitable propaganda. There are parallels with McCarthyism, and the War on Terror.
So do we really want to be colluding with a State inspired "War on (Catholic) Terror" celebration?
Unfortunately, I don't think there is a suitable day in the UK where we can celebrate popular independence like July 4th, as we still haven't achieved it!
The 5th of November celebrates the fact that Guy Fawkes' insurrection against the State failed, and the Protestant State prevailed. Fawkes was regarded as a Catholic terrorist. Anti-Catholic feeling was widespread and encouraged by the Protestant authorities, and there were even anti-Catholic riots. In some parts, an effigy of the Pope is burned instead of Guy Fawkes.
The adoption of Protestantism by Britain was purely a political move to wrest power from the Pope. The people were persuaded to switch from Catholicism with suitable propaganda. There are parallels with McCarthyism, and the War on Terror.
So do we really want to be colluding with a State inspired "War on (Catholic) Terror" celebration?
Unfortunately, I don't think there is a suitable day in the UK where we can celebrate popular independence like July 4th, as we still haven't achieved it!
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Re: Remember Remember the 5th of November
by smallpoxgirl » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 08:50:55
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', 'I')f you wish to celebrate insurrection, 5th of November is a sad day.
I disagree. The point is not so much wether you suceed, it's wether you try. The 1916 Easter Rebellion in Ireland was roundly unsucessful. The rebels were all arrested within 5 days. The leaders were shot. The people of Dublin jeered and spit on the rebels as they were marched past. Eventually though, it set off a process by which Ireland (most of it anyway) gained independence in 1921.Of course the authorities are going to paint the insurgents in a bad light. Otherwise they wouldn't be the authorities. In any form of government, the most serious crime a person can commit is to attack the government.
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"We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Re: Remember Remember the 5th of November
by TheTurtle » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 09:07:48
I'm with you, spg. 
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Re: Remember Remember the 5th of November
by NEOPO » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 12:07:18
Some people can use profound metaphorics with or without drugs 
Since we are always being limited is that why we try to limit?
Since we are always being limited is that why we try to limit?
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Re: Remember Remember the 5th of November
by Kfish » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 21:49:33
My husband and I celebrated Nov. 5 by watching "V for Vendetta", starting at about 11.45pm on Nov. 4.
Unfortunately, the midnight scene is about 20 minutes into the movie.
Ah well, maybe next year.
Gotta agree with smallpoxgirl, though. Any attempt at revolution signals a failure by the authorities to command the minds of their subjects. (Mind you, here in Australia our biggest military celebration commemorates a miserable tactical failure followed by a bloody retreat. It's the thought that counts.
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Unfortunately, the midnight scene is about 20 minutes into the movie.
Ah well, maybe next year.
Gotta agree with smallpoxgirl, though. Any attempt at revolution signals a failure by the authorities to command the minds of their subjects. (Mind you, here in Australia our biggest military celebration commemorates a miserable tactical failure followed by a bloody retreat. It's the thought that counts.
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Re: Remember Remember the 5th of November
by bobcousins » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 07:35:16
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', 'I')f you wish to celebrate insurrection, 5th of November is a sad day.
I disagree. The point is not so much wether you suceed, it's wether you try. The 1916 Easter Rebellion in Ireland was roundly unsucessful. The rebels were all arrested within 5 days. The leaders were shot. The people of Dublin jeered and spit on the rebels as they were marched past. Eventually though, it set off a process by which Ireland (most of it anyway) gained independence in 1921.That is completely different, that was a popular revolt, an attempt to overthrow an oppressive regime.
Guy Fawkes is more like Timothy McVeigh. An attempt to destroy authority he didn't happen to like, but the majority did. Would you celebrate Oklahoma Bombing Day?
I don't disagree with the premise of insurrection, just that Guy Fawkes is a lousy example.
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