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Unread postby firestarter » Sat 04 Nov 2006, 22:29:02

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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Sat 04 Nov 2006, 22:30:18

Well, the idiot on the bottom doesn't know how to hold a gun, so I am going with the chick
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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby AgentR » Sat 04 Nov 2006, 22:32:01

Whether in the hand of an 80 pound, girl geek, or a three hundred pound tough.....

Good sight picture always wins.
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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Sun 05 Nov 2006, 02:19:06

Wins what, exactly?

Who wins the "broken nose" award? Obviously it's Mr. Ghetto there, because that's exactly what's going to happen if he fires that thing. A broken nose. And fingers...possibly his wrist...maybe the back of his skull if he's thrown off-balance...
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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby firestarter » Sun 05 Nov 2006, 12:09:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'W')ins what, exactly?

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Yesterday was the tenth anniversary of me being robbed at gunpoint in back, of all places, the National Guard Armory at 55th & Cottage Grove on Chicago's south side. I was hanging large metal doors when two thugs--gangbangers--held me up and proceeded to clean out my substantial power tool cache. My Milwaukee cordless drill was no match for them.

If we ever get to the lawless society many here are calling for, I'm certain those thugs coming at me and mine and others, many with their sideways cocked weapons, are going to discover, the hard way, the real meaning behind proper technique.
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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 03:00:15

OK, this thread makes a little more sense with some context attached. Thanks. I just thought it was a goofy picture of a wannabe gangbanger (everybody knows the *real* gangbangers use MACK-10's :roll: ) trying to look tough. I didn't realize there was a backstory.
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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 08:58:42

Well...neither one of them has a proper grip, but at least the girl isn't holding it upside down. She needs to get her left hand and her right thumb up higher on the gun though. She also has the trigger behind the joint of her index finger. It should be under the pad of the finger instead.
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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby Aaron » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 09:26:41

LA has reported a fall in fatal gang shootings since the advent of this upside-down firing position BTW...
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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 13:09:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'L')A has reported a fall in fatal gang shootings since the advent of this upside-down firing position BTW...


If I'm not mistaken, I believe that grip was dubbed "John Woo" Style. As unpractical and fictional as "The Gun Kata" from the movies Equilibrium and Ultraviolet.

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Unread postby TheTurtle » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 13:55:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', ' ')As unpractical and fictional as "The Gun Kata" from the movies Equilibrium and Ultraviolet.


WTF? Gun Kata is not practical? 8O You have crushed the last of my illusions, Mr. Mule. :P
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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 14:16:11

Wonder if birdman has come up with a new version of the HoMeBoY NyTe-SyTeS for the upside down shooters?
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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 14:26:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '[')url=http://www.guns4u.net/homeboy_glock.jpg]HoMeBoY NyTe-SyTeS[/url]


"Allows firing from car windows, over fences, bar counters, or simply chasing someone through the 'hood!"

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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 17:42:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'W')ell...neither one of them has a proper grip, but at least the girl isn't holding it upside down. She needs to get her left hand and her right thumb up higher on the gun though. She also has the trigger behind the joint of her index finger. It should be under the pad of the finger instead.


it is called the "teacup" and it is a lousy way to hold a gun.... the non-dominant hand provides no assistance in controlling recoil.

they guy? well, he is just an idiot.
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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 18:00:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'W')ell...neither one of them has a proper grip, but at least the girl isn't holding it upside down. She needs to get her left hand and her right thumb up higher on the gun though. She also has the trigger behind the joint of her index finger. It should be under the pad of the finger instead.


it is called the "teacup" and it is a lousy way to hold a gun.... the non-dominant hand provides no assistance in controlling recoil.

they guy? well, he is just an idiot.


YIKES! how did you know that SBCat? You been going to the range lately?
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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby da23 » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 18:47:29

looks ok to me but maybe don't tense your shoulders so much ?
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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 19:13:13

Tamara Dobson, aka Cleopatra Jones, demonstrates proper form below. Now there is a lady. :oops: Makes me wonder if some of the Mad Maxs will be wearing rabbit fur and rayon halter tops instead of military fatigues.

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Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 16:00:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'W')ell...neither one of them has a proper grip, but at least the girl isn't holding it upside down. She needs to get her left hand and her right thumb up higher on the gun though. She also has the trigger behind the joint of her index finger. It should be under the pad of the finger instead.


it is called the "teacup" and it is a lousy way to hold a gun.... the non-dominant hand provides no assistance in controlling recoil.

they guy? well, he is just an idiot.


YIKES! how did you know that SBCat? You been going to the range lately?


my dad was a police officer. i have been firing handguns since i was 13 and once even competed as a tyro in a service pistol match.
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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 16:52:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'O')kay, criticize this for me to help me improve:

The grip looks good to me. You're doing what I see from a lot of first time shooters though. You're nervous about the gun, so you're unconciously leaning back trying to get away from it. It puts you off balance and it's a lousy posture for absorbing the recoil. Remember, you aren't shooting. You're fighting. The gun is just the weapon. The posture should be the same as for any other kind of fight. Feet spread about shoulder width. One slightly back of the other. Body weight balanced over the balls of your feet. Your posture should be comfortable and balanced and you should be able to easily move from it. Real gunfights don't happen in nice neat lanes like a range. In a real fight your target will be moving, and if you want to survive the fight, you need to be able to move too.

This is what it should look like: Link.

Not saying I'm nearly that good or that you should be able to empty a 15 round gun into the target in 3 seconds like he does, but notice the difference between how his stance and yours.
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Re: Who wins?

Unread postby firestarter » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 17:01:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'O')kay, criticize this for me to help me improve:

The grip looks good to me. You're doing what I see from a lot of first time shooters though. You're nervous about the gun, so you're unconciously leaning back trying to get away from it. It puts you off balance and it's a lousy posture for absorbing the recoil. Remember, you aren't shooting. You're fighting. The gun is just the weapon. The posture should be the same as for any other kind of fight. Feet spread about shoulder width. One slightly back of the other. Body weight balanced over the balls of your feet. Your posture should be comfortable and balanced and you should be able to easily move from it. Real gunfights don't happen in nice neat lanes like a range. In a real fight your target will be moving, and if you want to survive the fight, you need to be able to move too.




You forgot to mention her eyeshadow must be darkened, her nails painted black, her lipstick bright red, and her shoes pointed in case she misses her target and has to use her feet to kick the cad in the family jewels. If all else fails she can borrow my cordless 18 volt Milwaukee drill.
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