[Lokutus]

Ladies & Germs, I present to you the great Joe Bageant. Here's a blogger who speaks out for the little guy and gal. Check out his essays and you will learn much about how really America works.

Here's just one example of why I like Joe:

"One recent winter day, after the long dark commute back from the D.C. metro area, I stepped into my living room, where for a split-second I saw my daddy sitting on the couch by the flicker of the television eating ice cream straight from the carton, just like he did when I was a kid. Even a spilt second with an apparition is a long time, an eternity which defies our very notion of time. After the electric waves of shock quit going through my body, I sat down on the couch and reminded myself why I am a socialist: If I can do my bit, however small that may be, to prevent good men like my dad from working their guts out to line a lesser man's pocket, or restore dignity to labor in even the smallest way, then I will do it. And if I can use the only damned gift I ever had -- the one he never understood -- in testimony, then I will do that too."

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', ' ')Here's a blogger who speaks out for the little guy and gal.

[AgentR]

You've never truly felt the concept of lining someone elses pockets, until its the Governor's pockets that claim the right to lining.

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', ' ')Here's a blogger who speaks out for the little guy and gal.

[holmes]

The neo classical capitalist system is better than socialism/communism however it is a short term system built only for the time resources are plentiful. Ecological economics basically capitalism lite is a sustainable responsible system. However it will send shock waves through the bloats and the self laothing lazy commies. Not what they want. They want power. I want a system that considers power mad egoists a COST. I want all costs analysis. Your commie and current cappitalist systems dont even scratch the surface. Therefor null and void to me. Yawn. But cool. get the emotions in the equation. Nother issue I have. The economic system needs to have the emotions and politics and other forms of extraneous bullshit exterminated out of it.
Its alla bout costs. all costs. Im not seeing those calculations. Its always easier to go to shitstem instead of a system.

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '
')
Oh give it a rest with claptrap about state ownership. It's been done to death. Furthermore, it's a cheap strawman used to divert attention from the fact that the average Joe is getting screwed under the current system.

[Dreamtwister]

Spare me. You're both wrong.

The only truly sustainable economy is the gift-based tribal economy. Any other type of economy is a tool for control.

Unfortunately, our little monkey-brains can't reconcile a global village, and we're completely indoctrinated into economic dogma and social fragmentism, so we're hosed.

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', '
')The difference between you and I is that you want to increase the government control and I want to eliminate it.

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '
')
... Any other type of economy is a tool for control.

[JustinFrankl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'I')t's more important for citizens to start proactively looking out for numero uno.

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JustinFrankl', '
')When they start looking out for numero uno, and stop paying attention to those who would seek to control them with laws and regulations, they are no longer "citizens". I believe the current popular phrase would be "enemy combatants".

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JustinFrankl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'I')t's more important for citizens to start proactively looking out for numero uno.

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ree markets are not centrally controlled, but are controlled by the market participants thru the laws of supply and demand. All that needs be done is to have a system of laws that provides for redress against those who commit or attempt fraud (including colluding to rig markets).

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ree markets are not centrally controlled, but are controlled by the market participants thru the laws of supply and demand. All that needs be done is to have a system of laws that provides for redress against those who commit or attempt fraud (including colluding to rig markets).

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '
')
You know why I secretly hope for a Peak Oil collapse? Because it would bring about the collapse of big gubmint..

[ipWinston]

why do people always look towards broken theories of the past to deal with events in the future? the past must be used as a stepping stone for thought.

democracy eventually collapses...and what springs from this collapse?
usually a form of the same system in place before the revolution-this example is facism, distorted communism, or some sort of authoritarian regieme

we need to work towards a sustainable post-democratic system of government and economics.

lets try something that hasnt been tried (and failed) before, kay?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociocracy

definatly the groundwork for a plan that can be expanded upon

...ok back to your business with
pinko commies and facist pigs...

[holmes]

Im with ya winston. economic growth brings death. Need for a steady state ecological paradigm economics. I know the whole old shitstems are a yawner. But hey its easier to just burn to a fucking cinder.
Economic growth truly weakens moral resolve and erodes national definition and pride.

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')hy do people always look towards broken theories of the past to deal with events in the future? the past must be used as a stepping stone for thought

[oowolf]

Are you guys familiar with this:
http://www.amazon.com/REDNECK-MANIFESTO ... F8&s=books

[PenultimateManStanding]

Once again, I have doubts about the sources of info and go looking for non hyperbolic accounts of events or situations. The law is pretty grave and sweeping. from wikipedia:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')n “unlawful enemy combatant” can be any person – not excluding American citizens - determined to be one by a “competent tribunal” established by the President or the Secretary of Defense [Sec.948a(1)(ii)]. What comprises a competent tribunal – or by what criteria they would make such a determination - is not defined.

The Act changes pre-existing law to explicitly suspend the writ of habeas corpus for detainees even if they are U.S. citizens [Section 7(a)]. This provision applies to all cases pending at the time the Act is enacted, as well as to all such future cases.

If the government chooses to bring a prosecution against the detainee, a military commission is convened for this purpose. The following rules are some of those established for trying unlawful enemy combatants who are not citizens of the United States. [Sec.948b (a)] The Act does not exclude these rules from being applied when trying unlawful enemy combatants who are American citizens.

* Certain sections of the Uniform Code of Military Justice are deemed inapplicable - including some relating to a speedy trial [Sec.948b (d)(1)(A)], compulsory self-incrimination [Sec.948b (d)(1)(B)], and pre-trial investigation [Sec.948b (d)(1)(C)].

* A civilian defense attorney may not be used unless they have clearance to view materials classified Secret. [Sec.949c(b)(3)(D)]

* Based on his findings, the judge may introduce hearsay evidence [Sec.949a(b)(2)(E)(i)], evidence obtained without a search warrant [Sec.949a(b)(2)(B)], evidence obtained when the degree of coercion is disputed [Sec.948r (d)], or classified evidence not made available to the defense [Sec.949d(f)(2)(B)].

* A finding of Guilty requires only a 2/3 majority [Sec.949m(a)]

* No defendant may invoke the Geneva Conventions in legal proceedings on their behalf. [Section 5(a)]

* The President determines “the meaning and application” of the Geneva Conventions banning the torture of prisoners. [Sec.6 (a)(3)(A)]

* The accused may be tried for the same offense a second time “with his consent” [Sec.949h(a)].

* If the military commission returns a finding of Not Guilty, its convening authority is not required to take action on the findings. [Sec.950b(c)(3)]