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What is your IQ?

160+ (Wile E. Coyote is my uncle)
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140-160 (I'm wicked smart baby)
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No votes
120-140 (Smarter 'n most)
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No votes
100-120 (Better than average!)
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No votes
80-100 (I think IQ tests are inherently biased)
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Total votes : 77

Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby Falconoffury » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 01:45:40

I have a high IQ mostly because I have taken a variety of tests a large number of times. If you get good at the types of questions they ask, you can generally break the system.

I love how your age affects the outcome. My IQ has gone up over the years because of this fact.

My favorite questions are where they try to get you adding percentages to get a percentage of a number when you have to take the percentages out individually. 3% and 3% again on the same number is not the same as 6% a single time.
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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby seldom_seen » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 02:18:56

The times I've taken the test:

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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby 0mar » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 02:28:57

Lotta e-penis posturing goin on here :p

Mines probably between 115 and 125. I haven't been tested in a long time (+7 years, last time I got tested was sophmore year in highschool).
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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby BlisteredWhippet » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 02:37:16

Conventional IQ is practically prehistoric. Wasn't it foisted on us during McCarthy's 50s?

I think this is a more interesting model for "intelligence":

multiple intelligences

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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 02:46:28

As a child, I have scored at both extremes of the bell curve, depending on the test taken. They are quite culturally biased. Many of them, like the Stanford Binet, were developed to determine mental retardation as opposed to measure a general level of 'intelligence'.

I haven't taken such a test in years and don't intend to ever again. Given my current level of education and field of study, I'd probably guess such a number to be somewhere over 120, but that may not really be the case. For one thing, the probability of so many high IQ people existing on this site is staggeringly low, and the odds would be well against me being such an individual if sheer probability were the only factor considered.
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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby Doly » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 06:01:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'F')or one thing, the probability of so many high IQ people existing on this site is staggeringly low, and the odds would be well against me being such an individual if sheer probability were the only factor considered.


Actually, no. There seem to be quite a lot of people with University education in the site. There was another poll with that question recently. My understanding is that people that have gone to University have a higher average IQ, somewhere around 130. (Like I said, IQ correlates with academic ability more than anything else.) That would match roughly what we got here.

And of course, probably people with higher IQ are happier to answer the poll than those with lower IQ.
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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby perdition79 » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 12:05:20

My IQ is 157. That doesn't mean much, because I'm still an idiot.

Now that we've figured out we all have large-displacement brainpans around here, can we officially call this forum a thinktank?
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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 16:08:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ctually, no. There seem to be quite a lot of people with University education in the site. There was another poll with that question recently. My understanding is that people that have gone to University have a higher average IQ, somewhere around 130. (Like I said, IQ correlates with academic ability more than anything else.) That would match roughly what we got here.


Education is a factor outside of the basic Gaussian distribution I was referring to. I fully understand that most here have some form of college education.

Although 130 for the university educated? Seems to be on the high side by at least whole standard deviation(at least in the U.S.), as 1/4 of American adults have a Bachelor's degree or higher. 110 or so would be more accurate for someone with a college education, perhaps higher for those in more difficult fields of study(engineering, medicine, science, ect.). For other countries where a college education is not as widespread, 130 may be accurate.

I remember a chart for a math problem in my Probability and Statistics textbook that listed the typical IQ distributions of various professions in the U.S. I was quite surprised that the graph depicted many professional fields as having typical IQ distributions in the 90-110 range! Sadly, I don't remember the specific source cited so that I may elaborate futher. I remember the engineers and nurses/other medical practitioners were around the 115-125 region having the highest scores on that chart. I don't remember if the ranges it used were for 75% of the population having degrees in those areas of study, or 90%... Many typical areas of study like english, business, finance, or communications were listed as being in the average range, in the upper 90s to low 100s.

If you've got an IQ above 85 or so, chances are, you have at least a high school diploma(only like 15% of American adults do not have one). Given that 60% of American adults have attempted college, then having 'some college' seems about average.

Mind you, I am only attempting to correlate education and intelligence. There exist intelligent people that don't even finish high school and dull people that miraculously manage to go on to a Masters degree or higher.



It would not surprise me if at least a third of respondents on this poll listed scores they retrieved off of some internet-based IQ test. Those tend to inflate your score by a standard deviation or two(or more). I've taken some of those at the urging of a few friends, and there is absolutely no way I have an IQ approaching 200. That notion alone is absurd. Their accuracy is definately suspect.

Tests I've had in real life, I have scored on both extremes depending on age and test taken(eg. one test in early childhood from which I was thought to be severely mentally impaired, and another at the other extreme as a teenager), but I've never approached anywhere near 200.
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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby BlisteredWhippet » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 16:31:42

In other words, you can't tell shit from shine-ola with this measure.

I think human brains are perceptually limited. Our capabilities are determined more by what we allow ourselves to perceive. In terms of the mind, in this 3-dimensional universe we live in, the parameters of what we're capable of is vast yet finite. When someone talks about the virtues of having an "open mind" he is not talking about the capability to group similar symbols together or perform differential calculations- he is talking about the mental flexibility to appreciate and understand, empathize and synthesize innumerable varieties of experience, only a tiny sliver of which are represented in these tests.

These tests are artifacts of the intellectual values of a culture that clearly favors the modes of simple accumulation, categorization, and abstraction- a culture which regards simplemindedness in a particular direction the very height of efficiency and value.

If we taught mathematical and propositional logic to grade-school kids we would create the conditions for a cultural sea-change that might actually have a chance at survival. The modern professional adult is a synthesis of banality and overspecialization. A generation with open minds would threaten the whole house of cards.

IQ tests should be shredded. No one should be proud of their enumerization in this mythical scale. No one should be proud of the fact that it lurches into the 21st century, dragging the pretensions and gross ignorance of a generation of swine with it.
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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 16:36:09

I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby KhanCEO » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 16:57:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I')Q Tests... lol

What a silly kind of posturing exercise that is.

It's almost embarrassing in it's inherent ineptitude.

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I don't care what a stupid test said about one's brainpower. These tests were made by humans, not just by any humans but by arrogent humans that feel they alone can determine intelligence. If you are the ones writing the damn test clearly you havn't achieved enough in life to make someone esle write the test. If you were truely smart you wouldn't bother developing such a test because you have better things to do. The very foundation of an IQ test is silly. :-D
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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 17:24:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', '
')How could you make an IQ test better? That is a good question.


Simple, add another section or two to the test.

If on the first test you score within a certain range, (roughly 80-120), that is your score.

Option A of the second part of the test would be given to people with IQs under 80 and it would measure the degree of mental retardation.

Option B of the second part of the test would be designed for people with >120 IQs.

You can add another testing level for each standard deviation up to 160+ and higher if you'd like.

The only problem is that eventually only mega-smart people will be able to come up with the tests, leading to an ultra selection group of mega-smart people being able to understand what the questions even mean.
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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby 0mar » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 17:31:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'I') also wanted to mention that if our results are a random sample of the folks who are on Peakoil.com, then it might mean that the issue of peak oil is not something the average person readily gets. notice our distribution has an average in the mid to upper 130's. That thirty points above the mean of about 100 for the general population means peak oil is very hard for them to understand. As a percentage of the population IQ's in the 130's are less than five percent.


It's more likely people are too insecure to report their real score and feel the need to inflate their score. An IQ score of 130 is at least 2 standard deviations above the norm (~5% of the population). A score of 145 is 3 standard deviations and extremely rare (~.3% of the population). 27 people having that score is absolutely insane. Very, very few people have an IQ of 145 or more and yet, we are supposed to believe that there are 27 such people on this board alone?

I'd wager the real distribution is closer to the standard population's. You can put this poll up on any forum on the internet and probably come out with the same results. No one wants to be average.
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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 17:40:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ery, very few people have an IQ of 145 or more and yet, we are supposed to believe that there are 27 such people on this board alone?


I don't believe it at all.

If I were to take a guess based on the level of education here, the normal distribution of this forum is probably around 110-120.

Hard as it may be for some here to believe, people who score in the average range on IQ tests are quite capable of excelling in professional areas of study and understanding the sorts of complex subjects discussed here or in a university setting. They may in general have to work harder to understand these things than someone who may score a 115+, but they can manage if they want.

What many here need to realize is that an IQ test measures how well you take an IQ test, first and foremost. There may be some correlation between such a score and ability to grasp complex subject matter and theories, but there is no direct relation.
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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby perdition79 » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 17:46:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'T')hat means, we have our work cut out for us. In fact it probably means that making a difference will require building trust politically and then doing the right thing on the people's behalf rather than trying to educate them completely on peak oil. Materials handed out need to be bear bones, not too complicated. Try getting into EROEI and supply chain modeling with your average American and forget it. Tell them oil is running out because half of it is gone in 150 years and the other half will be gone in the next seventy-five and now you are talking on their level.


How barebones would you need to be, in order for the message to be clear to the typical American consumer-driven prole? Given the simplicity of every other piece of information shoved down their gullets by the media, even "Run Motherf---er, You Gonna Die!!!!" may be too abstract a concept for them.

I don't think anyone here's overinflating their IQ, mainly for the reason that the average person can't fully grasp such an abstract concept as PO. I get "you're paranoid" or "so I should buy a farm?" as the typical responses from people when I lay it down. Most people who joined this forum probably read through it, dismissed it as paranoia, took a yellowbird or a Xanax, and sat down in front of the TV to watch American Idol.
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Re: What is you IQ?

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 17:51:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or instance if we used a culturally biased test, or just said screw it and started asking people how many Snickers bars they consume in a year.


Except for tests that claim to measure 'fluid intelligence' it's a given that an IQ test will be culturally biased. There isn't much one could do to change that unless there were radical alterations to the means at which the criteria measured by such tests are obtained. And even then, there's no garuntee. The historical references, idioms, vocabulary, and other factors an IQ test may use as part of its questions will be better understood by certain ethnicities, income groups, nationalities, and races than others due to varying levels of exposure to the material and various degrees of achievement and expectations among those groups.
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