[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'I') recommend that it be mandatory for all Americans to carry loaded firearms at all times with no safety catches.

That should keep everyone happy.

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ECM', 'W')hen I was in in college I did a term paper on gun control. I still believe that gun control should be enforced, but only for the most excessive weapons.

Fully automatic weapons are not used for home defense. At least not in full auto mode. Those should remain banned. High calibur weapons are not needed for defense and should be banned also.

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ECM', 'F')ully automatic weapons are not used for home defense. At least not in full auto mode. Those should remain banned. High calibur weapons are not needed for defense and should be banned also.

The more I see the Federal government strengthen and piss on the Constitution the greater sense of urgency I get that all United States citizens of reasonable age and mental state should be armed. A population without weapons is at the mercy of an aggressor internal or external. The government should fear the people.

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', 'I') think there is no point to this thread. The Americans cant concieve why people would want to restrict gun ownership. The rest of us will continue to think they are completely nuts. This thread will basically just confirm opinions on both sides. And 25000 people will die from Gun violence in the US every year. And 40000 will die in car accidents....................

The chance of anyone on this thread being involved in either is moderately low.............

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ECM', 'F')ully automatic weapons are not used for home defense. At least not in full auto mode. Those should remain banned. High calibur weapons are not needed for defense and should be banned also.

The more I see the Federal government strengthen and piss on the Constitution the greater sense of urgency I get that all United States citizens of reasonable age and mental state should be armed. A population without weapons is at the mercy of an aggressor internal or external. The government should fear the people.

[venky]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', 'I') think there is no point to this thread. The Americans cant concieve why people would want to restrict gun ownership. The rest of us will continue to think they are completely nuts. This thread will basically just confirm opinions on both sides. And 25000 people will die from Gun violence in the US every year. And 40000 will die in car accidents....................

The chance of anyone on this thread being involved in either is moderately low.............

[Chocky]

Just out of interest Venky, which country are you from? I want to know more about this magical kingdom of no guns or gun violence.

[jato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd from our perspectives it seems quite inconceivable that there are those that can’t make the simple connection..........less guns.....less gun violence.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '
')No; it just means that you are emotionally invested in this issue and have spent a lot of time studying this issue; so have a lot of facts and studies to support your point of view at the tip of your fingers; I am sure there are a lot of studies and surverys done by the opposite group as well. Most of the 'gun controllers' on this thread are from outside the US where this debate does not exist.
And from our perspectives it seems quite inconceivable that there are those that cant make the simple connection..........less guns.....less gun violence.

Lastly an argument can be logical and well backed up with sources, but it can be dead wrong. Basically Max, you are wrong to generalize that no studies exist to oppose gun violence; just based on a few people on this thread who are not exactly part of the 'debate' in the US.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '[')it seems quite inconceivable that there are those that cant make the simple connection..........less guns.....less gun violence.

[holmes]

the 2nd amendment should be the American citizens gun permit. and thats that. end of story. what needs to be done is the herd up alll the cretins who are pushing gun ban on citizens while strengthening the gestapos and execute them all by firing squad.
THE END.

[holmes]

let the fucks die. Im not concerned with the statistics. I am not killing anyone. and if u want a future on this planet people like me and my seeds and ladies need to live, defend and carry on. WE need to defend agianst the crooks and thugs. But in reality these perfect humanoids dont want peace and a healthy planet. They want to strip the last ounces of defense and let the gestapos and power mad egoists and felons "inherit the earth". Fuck off.

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'W')E need to defend agianst the crooks and thugs. But in reality these perfect humanoids dont want peace and a healthy planet. They want to strip the last ounces of defense and let the gestapos and power mad egoists and felons "inherit the earth". Fuck off.

[ECM]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'F')ine with me. None of my handguns have manual safeties anyway.

ECM, care to define a "high calibur weapon" and to explain why the Second Amendment doesn't cover them?

[holmes]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'W')E need to defend agianst the crooks and thugs. But in reality these perfect humanoids dont want peace and a healthy planet. They want to strip the last ounces of defense and let the gestapos and power mad egoists and felons "inherit the earth". Fuck off.

[SDC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'H')owever the democrats are even worse! Bush is the biggest Liberal ever to grace the orifice office.

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ECM', '
')
Gego do you ever respond without insults? Also, stop making assumptions about a person's knowledge as you look like an ass. I know quite a bit about ammunition and guns. I served my time in the military. You are arguing from an absolute black and white standpoint. You think any limitation is bad. So care to tell me why I or you should be able to own every concievable weapon? You can't possibly justify it.

Again the Second Amendment DOES NOT expressly give you the right to own any specific class of weapons. Nor does it prevent the regulation of arms. It does not say the right to bear arms of choice. The Constitution is a framework document and the founding fathers certainly did not intend for absolute freedom of weapons ownership. You can argue against this all you want but unless you are willing to let anyone have the a-bomb you are are a hypocrite if you do.

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', '
')
Your absolutely right, gego. I hang my head in sadness and shame. The human condition(abomination?) ruined anything potential good this beast had. Really no chance. And Bush is a traitor. However the democrats are even worse! Bush is the biggest Liberal ever to grace the orifice office. and I despise using thse orwellian double speak words like "liberal" or "conservative". Im just free man wanting to live a simple power down life. and thats it. Never taking more than I need and so on. Its grotesque.

[holmes]

yes we are getting there it seems. The constitution is a piece of toilet paper now. Only used when "the desire" strikes. Changed when the desire strikes. and both parties are slutty felons.
Never should have started Iraq. But how else to feed the insatiable appetites?

[holmes]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SDC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'H')owever the democrats are even worse! Bush is the biggest Liberal ever to grace the orifice office.