[Zentric]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', 'V')erbose, obtuse, perverse, and boring.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', 'T')he president and his team actively obfuscated the investigation, which doesn't automatically mean he order the attacks it just means he authorized coverup for whatever reason and that's a mainstream wisdom now, deal with it buddy..

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', 'T')hanks, Man. What's your thesis, anyway... why are you here on this thread and forum?

[Zentric]

Okay, rwwff. To summarize, you have a "rational" reason for participating on the forum - to learn, to explore possibilities, and to harrass the "we can fix it" GW-types. Fine and good.

But you also say that you are not quite sure what attracts you about to the 9/11 CT debate. I think you should explore this. My guess is that your motivations here are childish.

Many people here have made a rational argument that the "official version" of the events leading up to and including 9/11 is or resembles a conspiracy theory coverup that warrants an independent investigation - a simple argument supported by scads of evidence. But you consistently attack this view using bullshit objections.

You strike me as two people, neither without considerable debating skills:

1) A rational "down to earth" guy who can effectively counter liberal groupthink.

2) An irrational bully who's this way because it somehow feels good to him.

Could you possibly find a way at being only a single person?

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', 'B')ut you also say that you are not quite sure what attracts you about to the 9/11 CT debate. I think you should explore this. My guess is that your motivations here are childish.

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', 'P')erhaps you better start with 9/11 Press for Truth, which is a mature look of the 9/11 families on how the government promises about real investigation which was established after delays and only thanks to their constant presure turned out to be in the end a sick joke..

9/11 Press For Truth:
http://www.911pressfortruth.com/story

Video Google:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... +for+truth

[Mesuge]

NEOPO>
Yes, that's one of the rarely mentioned stories by the media. Yet, it all began when Daschle and gang got those military grade anthrax envelopes, then Bush & Cheney pushed him not to open any investigation into 9/11 and he as a classic repucratic coward backed off. Then there was a very limited congressional inquiry and senators being put under lie detectors, gag orders etc.

Then the families put some more presure and "independent" repucratic Commission has been setup up. First two chairmans resigned, Kissinger because of his Saudi family clients with terror funding past (revealed again by the 9/11 families).

The vice chair of the Commission Lee Hamilton is a professional cover up artist from Iran-contra and beyond.

The most important figure, executive director Mr. Zelikow is a long time career neocon and academic expert in "creation of public myths" no kidding. Zelikow is a buddy and protege of Condie, now works under her.

Another influential man, senator Ben-Veniste had an interesting career in law. For instance, legal defense for Barry Seal, the biggest narco smuggler in the US history and buddy of Poppy Bush and the CIA blackops since 60s.

Reads like a B-grade comic book and it was indeed a sick comic book plot.. Well, this is not tasty French or Russian spy novel afterall..

In a disgusting twist the most influential neocons (and their Harvard buddies like Ernest May) are openly prizing in their scholarly papers 9/11 families for the release of the limited documentation on the case, perhaps they are proud about their work and the little publicity for the historical record about their role in the whole scheme. While hired food baskets like Ann Coulters attacked 9/11 families as terrorist supporters..

[Mesuge]

But the major insight into all these ghostly games is this famous documentary from BBC, The Power Of Nightmares which is a good overview of the evolution of both the neocon and jihadist strends of thought..

High quality:
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

Lower quality (1-3):
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=po ... nightmares

PS:
For the evidence touch challanged yanks, BBC stands for The British Broadcasting Corporation not for Baghram Bomb City..

[Mesuge]

Also, there is a brand new documentary "Kill the Messenger" about the FBI whistleblower, the Sibel Edmonds case. Aired numerous times on the TV Canal + this month. It will perhaps resurface on the net soon:
http://justacitizen.com/KillTheMessenger.html

Although the skeleton of her story is out there from the start, Edmonds is currently gaged by synergetic efforts of numerous institutions, courts, DOJ, FBI, and Congress. So she is not going to testify for anything..

Basically, her case is about the underground Turkish-Israeli-Pakistani bazaar where conventional, nuclear arms, genuine and infiltrated terrorist cells, drugs and campaign slush funds for D.C. cretins like Dennis Hastert but Democrats as well merge into one smelly river.

Basic timeline of her story:
http://cooperativeresearch.org/timeline ... belEdmonds


Details about the Valery Plame connection
(how one agency is blowing up the cover of the other in this environment):

Search for the story of Maj. Dickerson and his Turkish wify
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

[zberry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1').) It would not be seen as independent by the right.
2.) It would not be seen as independent by the left.
3.) It would not be seen as independent by either.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zberry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1').) It would not be seen as independent by the right.
2.) It would not be seen as independent by the left.
3.) It would not be seen as independent by either.

[zberry]

Well, I think David Ray Griffin and Webster Tarpley are a good place to start.
My point is that 9/11 Truth advocates don't want anyone who thinks along that "left/right" paradigm, because the "Democrats" are just as wedded to the 9/11 myth as "Republicans". It is all about government control of the public and increased defense spending, and that is ultimately what both "left" and "right" are interested in.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zberry', 'W')ell, I think David Ray Griffin

[Hiderow]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '[')url=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7946373613537938266&hl=en]Oil, Smoke and Mirrors[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Google Vid', ' ')'Oil, Smoke and Mirrors' is an independent 50 minute documentary on peak oil, 9/11 and the war on terror.

[Gridlock]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')k, so we've gone from a relatively small group of CT folks, to about ten million that will instantly think anything he signs his name to is left wing propaganda. Great progress there.

[rwwff]

Not to be constantly negative....

I had an idea, not that anything I suggest has any chance of being used either, but here it is.

Six people.
3 - from hard conservatives blocks
3 - from hard liberal blocks

Select by:
Find the most right wing (by votes for Senate) county in TX, UT, and GA, and take the highest ranking elected official with prosecutorial power.

Find the most left wing county in NY, MA, CA, and take the highest ranking elected official with prosecutorial power.

They form a court with power to subpoena anyone and anything.
No video. No audio. Written report with all six signatures to be released at their discretion. Written transcript to be released as a historical record fifty years afterwards, no exclusions for any state "secret" classifications; NONE.

This completely kills the "gotcha" drive, the grandstanding, the book selling; the people involved will be brutally direct with no consideration to how good they look. Real data will be acquired. The report will insure no "partisan" taint; and the eventual historic release will insure they don't punt.

[Gridlock]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') had an idea, not that anything I suggest has any chance of being used either, but here it is...

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gridlock', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')k, so we've gone from a relatively small group of CT folks, to about ten million that will instantly think anything he signs his name to is left wing propaganda. Great progress there.

[Gridlock]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think it would be a waste of money and waste of time.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'S')ee my previous post. While I do offer that suggestion, I think it would be a waste of money and waste of time. Watch how others react to it. Anything that keeps them from their passionate desire to have Bush's head on a platter will be unacceptable.