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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 05 Oct 2006, 19:24:30

So what are you saying? we gotta go back and fight the Civil War over again? Lawyers are a scourge.
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby NEOPO » Thu 05 Oct 2006, 20:32:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')awyers are a scourge.


I am sure the people who killed lincoln and kennedy felt the same.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')e gotta go back and fight the Civil War over again?


Hope springs eternal now doesnt it ;-)

Yeah lets force everyone to choose either blue or red and then get it on!!
Diebold says red will win by 2% margin ;-)
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 05 Oct 2006, 20:35:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')awyers are a scourge.


I am sure the people who killed lincoln and kennedy felt the same.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')e gotta go back and fight the Civil War over again?


Hope springs eternal now doesnt it ;-)

Yeah lets force everyone to choose either blue or red and then get it on!!
Diebold says red will win by 2% margin ;-)
I'm sure the potheads amongst us haven't got a clue what the lawyers are arguing about.
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby NEOPO » Thu 05 Oct 2006, 20:48:56

I am not the one who refuses to admit that 9/11 was a LIHOP if not a MIHOP event.

As if 9/11 isnt the single biggest excuse used to strip us of our rights to date!!!

You sleep well with your square GIT peg jammed inside that round hole dear.
Now keep saying that shit about pot and I will keep reminding you that teachers teach while others do!!!! ;-)

You teach compromise and conformity - no wonder you are a master of it here........................
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 05 Oct 2006, 20:53:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I') am not the one who refuses to admit that 9/11 was a LIHOP if not a MIHOP event.

As if 9/11 isnt the single biggest excuse used to strip us of our rights to date!!!

You sleep well with your square GIT peg jammed inside that round hole dear.
Now keep saying that shit about pot and I will keep reminding you that teachers teach while others do!!!! ;-)

You teach compromise and conformity - no wonder you are a master of it here........................
There's noting conclusive about 911. Some think there is, but we've seen right here in PO.com that it is very controversial.
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby firestarter » Thu 05 Oct 2006, 21:23:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'S')o what are you saying? we gotta go back and fight the Civil War over again?


No. I'm telling you when the republic (as conceived by the founders) died.
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby JustinFrankl » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 02:56:03

Amendment 14 also brought on the end of the idea of Jus soli, or birthright citizenship, as implied in Article 2 of the Constitution:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o person except a natural-born citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.


It was, and continues to be, replaced by the idea of Jus sanguinis, or birthrights of blood, when Amendment 14 makes the statement:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


The phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was inserted to imply that a person is not a citizen simply due to the location of their birth, the intent being that children born to foreign parents would remain under the jurisdiction of their respective governments, unless the parents were already under the jurisdiction of the US.

And it's not fair to criticize the potheads. Kennedy was a lawyer, but also a stoner, so he couldn't have been all bad.
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby Aaron » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 06:25:39

Sent to me...

Dear Editor:
>
> So many letter writers have based their arguments on how this land is made
> up of immigrants. Ernie Lujan for one, suggests we should tear down the
> Statue of Liberty because the people now in question aren't being
> treated the same as those who passed through Ellis Island and other ports
> of entry.
>
> Maybe we should turn to our history books and point out to people like
> Mr..Lujan why today's American is not willing to accept this new kind of
> immigrant any longer. Back in 1900 when there was a rush from all areas of
> Europe to come to the United States, people had to get off a ship and
> stand in a long line in New York and be documented. Some would even get
> down on their hands and knees and kiss the ground. They made a Pledge to
> uphold the laws and support their new Country in good and bad times. They
> made learning English a primary rule in their new American households and
> some even changed their names to blend in with their new home. They had
> waved good bye to their birth place to give their children a new life and
> did everything in their power to help their children assimilate into one
> culture.
>
> Nothing was handed to them. No free lunches, no welfare, no labor laws to
> protect them. All they had were the skills and craftsmanship they had
> brought with them to trade for a future of prosperity Most of their
> children came of age when World War II broke out. My father fought along
> side men whose parents had come straight over from Germany, Italy, France
> and Japan. None of these 1st generation Americans ever gave any thought
> about what country their parents had come from. They were Americans
> fighting Hitler, Mussolini and the Emperor of Japan. They were defending
> the United States of America as one people. When we liberated France, no
> one in those villages were looking for the French-American or the German
> American or the Irish American. The people of France saw only Americans.
>
> And we carried one flag that represented one country. Not one of those
> immigrant sons would have thought about picking up another country's flag
> and waving it to represent who they were. It would have been a disgrace to
> their parents who had sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants
> truly knew what it meant to be an American. They stirred the melting pot
> into one red, white and blue bowl.
>
> And here we are in 2006 with a new kind of immigrant who wants the same
> rights and privileges. Only they want to achieve it by playing with a
> different set of rules, one that includes the entitlement card and a
> guarantee of being faithful to their mother country. I'm sorry, that's not
> what being an American is all about.
>
> I believe that the immigrants who landed on Ellis Island in the early
> 1900's deserve better than that for all the toil, hard work and sacrifice
> in raising future generations to create a land that has become a beacon
> for those legally searching for a better life. I think they would be
> appalled that they are being used as an example by those waving foreign
> Country flags. And for that suggestion about taking down the Statue of
> Liberty, it happens to mean a lot to the citizens who are voting on the
> immigration bill. I wouldn't start talking about dismantling the United
> States just yet.
>
> (signed) Rosemary LaBonte
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby holmes » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 11:41:23

Great post Aaron. Perfect.
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby NEOPO » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 12:17:34

heh holmes cracks me up ;-)
as if that post wasnt so very very slam able!!
Nice pitch aaron yet I think some people may sense the fix is on yet holmes isnt one of them ;-)

most of them were starving
they kissed the ground because they thought they were gonna die on them boats!!
a war makes for some really odd justifications doesnt it?

assimilation = cha ching ...... sugar coating the BS! ;-)
Who wanted a name most people couldnt even freakin pronounce!!

No............ america needed and they needed.
It was a very mutual agreement ;-)

America still needs them yet doesnt want to pay the higher price for union craftpeople picking their fruit, building thier new homes etc etc.....

I watched white guy after white guy pull up to a corner and load them in the back of their trucks.
Later that day I would see them hammering away or digging like human backhoe's.
(BTW You might consider me a white guy ;-)

This is capitolism reaching maximum density or some other to be defined point and people's effort to understand it.
It feeds into fascism and divides us further!!!
With less energy slaves some might suggest a suitable replacement is in our very near future.............................

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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby Aaron » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 12:33:38

Just passin along the thoughts of another...

And I have to say, that even it is complete rubbish, and was never like that... the idea it represents is noble... and worth our understanding I think.

So easy to criticize... so difficult to create.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby holmes » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 12:43:26

My moms side came over in the early 1600's. My dads side came in 1880. Farmed and helped feed the scumbags. Thats too bad. They didnt realize what and who they were helping feed and grow. I look at the post ww2 immigrants as sub human species. If we were consciencous citizens. No it never was noble. low IQ cretins and the greedy overwhelmed intelligent noble. Now we have self loathing commie corporatacracy invalids undermining anything and everything common sense and good. O well. Just another whore house feeding frenzy. Ecological paradigm is fleeting.
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby FourOfSwords » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 12:45:26

NEOPO, why do you seem so negative about this? I certainly don't know you, or where you've come from in your life, but by reading your posts you SEEM so negative. I truthfully do not intend to insult you or your intelligence(or anyone else's here), I do not know you on a personal level, for any length of time as I would a friend who I may offer advice unsolicited. That being said, I think the vast majority of PO posters here pretty fully understand the implications of whats going on in the world and America and don't need to have their viewpoint or beliefs criticised.
You do a good job of presenting the harsh reality of PO and no one should fault that. It's a necessary service provided, I'm being literal.
Criticism that is constructive is what is needed, and a positive attitude no matter what faces us as a people, or as a nation.
Being positive will over the course of a lifetime bring you positive results, being negative will indeed bring to you negative things...this might seem naive, and simplistic to you and others, but is is something that sages over the ages have known and practiced.
Please don't consider this chastising by me, I have no right to do that to you or any other individual...just consider it friendy banter, or experience I hve learned.
Flame away...:(
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby holmes » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 12:52:49

The children of the pre ww2 immigrants got educated and bred later and less and if the shitstem didnt require infinite human biomass and growth this nation would be a much better palce for a long time to come. So pre ww2 immigrants had something different. Im not sure if it was special but it ws leading to a future for our children with hope. Now thats crushed. I hate to say it but the children today are doomed. period. Stolen future for sure. Hey thats the way it goes. Its crazy these american haters. Its their own that are driving the things that they hate so much. We pre ww2 immigrants were reaching replacment levels with our breeding thus would have reduced our demands for resources. More freedom and room to live. The new and improved immigrants are the ones growing and wanting more more more! In general. filling the petri dish. I scoff at those that blame me and my kind for anything. They have more to be ashamed of than me. ever.
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby PrairieMule » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 13:06:54

I found a interesting bit of information yesterday regarding immigrant assimilation. If you remember the immigrants who migrated here 100 years ago went through a rigorous health checks. What's disturbing is the number of leprosy cases from 1950-2003 reached a grand total of 30. Since 2003 there have been over 7000 cases of leprosy reported. In fact a leper colony has been established outside of Palestine,Tx. Now I got those stats from Alex Jones' Oct 5,2006 show on public access telecast. So after doing a quick google check I found a article that doesn't exactly match those figures but does show a sharp increase in leprosy outbreaks in the last 3 years as well as TB and Hepatitis.

http://www.frostywooldridge.com/article ... eases.html

Keep in mind these are the same folks also washing our dishes and cooking our food as well as hammering shingles on roofs. But hey, take comfort that they are doing the jobs we don't want to do.
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby holmes » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 13:22:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'I') found a interesting bit of information yesterday regarding immigrant assimilation. If you remember the immigrants who migrated here 100 years ago went through a rigorous health checks. What's disturbing is the number of leprosy cases from 1950-2003 reached a grand total of 30. Since 2003 there have been over 7000 cases of leprosy reported. In fact a leper colony has been established outside of Palestine,Tx. Now I got those stats from Alex Jones' Oct 5,2006 show on public access telecast. So after doing a quick google check I found a article that doesn't exactly match those figures but does show a sharp increase in leprosy outbreaks in the last 3 years as well as TB and Hepatitis.

http://www.frostywooldridge.com/article ... eases.html

Keep in mind these are the same folks also washing our dishes and cooking our food as well as hammering shingles on roofs. But hey, take comfort that they are doing the jobs we don't want to do.


absolutely. Just wait its only begun bro. These turds that have ushered in this abomination have no idea their kids are soylent green or pushing daisies. They are eating themselves. Just not much care or brains. short term mindset.
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby NEOPO » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 13:25:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'J')ust passin along the thoughts of another...

And I have to say, that even it is complete rubbish, and was never like that... the idea it represents is noble... and worth our understanding I think.

So easy to criticize... so difficult to create.


I know and I wasnt aiming anything at you per se.
agreed on - noble and worth our understanding - yet you must surely understand how it is being manipulated to correlate to todays issues no?

These people wanna believe that the immigrants had some choice and chose america yet the reality is that many were running away from persecution, famine and war and saw no other choice.

Odd how some of them ran right into more persecution, famine and war no?

Just like PO there are many truths and many fallacies.
No I dont think it is hard to create - if you only knew how many patriotic type rants I have typed and then deleted because I felt a sense of hypocrisy after rereading.
It is as if I must suspend disbelief in order to feel proud anymore.
Shame.

Some may suggest that one gets to a point where they simply "know too much" and this applies well to you and PO ;-)
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sorry if posting that made you cringe because I may come off as overly hostile sometimes ;-)
my goal is not to argue every point here.

Just as there is a harsh reality with PO there are also other harsh realities about events such as past US immigration.

My being negative is an effort to remove the sugar coating and I think it serves that purpose well.
Who disagrees that this letter was not sugar coating reality?

I sometimes weep thinking of what we have become.
No sooner do I regain some strength and confidence then I remind myself of the rape, theft and murder of indigenous peoples that led to our becoming.
I can honestly see no greatness in what we have accomplished or in how we have accomplished it.
Us and the world.

Perhaps we are great because we can kill the world 500 times over.
Perhaps we are great because we can ride to the store and carry 4 weeks worth of groceries to our home without breaking a sweat.
Maybe its the fact that we have more death by starvation now then 50 years ago or some other similar proof of decay.
Maybe it is our complete and utter addiction to hydrocarbons......

When some people set out to prove a point they are sometimes armed to the teeth with evidence of decay yet when it is their patriotism in question they often forget those things wether convenient or just some sort of self defense mechanism.

I shine negative light on positive BS yet that does not mean that I leave people with only negatives or otherwise do not promote the positive.

As a result of my understanding of peak oil my family is going to be located in one of many eco villages in the very near future.
Need a more positive example then that?
See me running away from my country or not doing what I should in light of the knowledge I now have?
No.
Its ok - I know how this strikes to the root of some people.
Nationalism is blind patriotism and let it not be said that I went along quietly with it.

Being a self proclaimed student of Theosophy I am very aware of the wisdom of the sages and the ignorance thereof by modern mankind.
What you are suggesting works for you yet what works for you no longer works for me.
Maybe in 20-30 years if america turns this around - I can think back and laugh at how I felt here and now and then cry tears of joy because we have managed to prevent the worst of PO and global warming etc etc.
Maybe.
Hope springs eternal.
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby PrairieMule » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 13:30:26

Since Holmes brought up the subject of turds...Turns out the spinach contaminated came from Mexico. It's well known ecoli comes from untreated human or animal feces which is the most common fertilizer in Mexico.

We all know North American Unification is going to get forced down our throats, looks like they are targeting our whole digestive tracts as well.
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby holmes » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 13:34:27

Mule spot on. another stage of the self loathing, suicidal, passive genocidal, passive aggressive society that is being forced upon us all. No choice now.
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Re: The End Of THe Republic

Postby PrairieMule » Fri 06 Oct 2006, 14:06:28

Now on the flip side of the immigration fight we have the errosion of civil liberties. Every day I just get angrier as research more and more. I find my self agreeing with the dope smoking beardo-the-weirdo lefties. This administration has violated 9 of the 10 amendments in the bill of rights.

FIRST AMENDMENT- Free Speech Zones for protestors
SECOND AMENDMENT-Gun grabs in New Orleans
THIRD AMENDMENT-Quarteing of troops- No violations here yet
FOURTH AMENDMENT- to many violations done in the name of homeland security
FIFTH THROUGH THE NINTH AMENDMENT- the Patriot Act II. Everyone should read it and see how they can intrude on your privacy, who can get detained and what can be done to US citizens. Too many sections to list, see the link below.
TENTH AMENDMENT-I voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 to see less government not more.

Also check out HR6166 that got passed last week. Loopholes for what was found unconstitutional in the PA2 by the Judicial branch.

http://www.infowars.com/print/patriot_a ... alysis.htm

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