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Should there be qualification testing of candidates for elected office?

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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 14:54:35

Didn't Winston Churchill say something like "democracy is messy and inefficent, but it beats the alternatives?" Besides we already have a prequalifying criteria: the candidate must be able to kiss the money donors asses. The candidate must be able to grovel and equivocate. The candidate must have the personality trait of sucking up to people higher in the food chain and lording over those lower. And if we are to take Bill Clinton as the epitome, the candidate must have the capacity of endless self-deception.
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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby rwwff » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 15:05:32

This "testing" thing is exactly what makes Iranian democracy a sham.

I design the tests, and you'll get a government full of Machiavelian executioners who will ruthlessly and efficiently pursue the economic requirements of the nation.

Let Pat Robertson design the test, and you'll have a government full of crusaders ready and willing to field an Army in the Middle East to lay waste the embrionic Second Islamic Empire.

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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 15:41:30

If I designed the test, you'd get a bunch of honest salt of the earth good guys who only want what's best for America! Plus, they'd round up Canadian radicals and interrogate them till the cows come home. Then I would step in and say "easy boys, these are my friends!" I'd invite them home for a good home-cooked meal featuring Lebanese salad with parsley and lemon and cracked wheat and we'd laugh about the crazy world.
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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby smiley » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 16:22:53

How about a simple IQ test?

That would have avoided the whole mess Bush has gotten us in.
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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 16:28:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'H')ow about a simple IQ test?

That would have avoided the whole mess Bush has gotten us in.
Wrong. Bush is a smart player.
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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby smiley » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 16:36:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')rong. Bush is a smart player.


Want to hear Bush say something intelligent?

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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 16:42:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'H')ow about a simple IQ test?

That would have avoided the whole mess Bush has gotten us in.

Come on. The guy graduated from Yale, and you don't think he can pass an IQ test?

I propose a very simple test. Anyone wanting to run for national office has to accept being shot. If they survive, they can occupy the office.
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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby smiley » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 17:05:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he guy graduated from Yale, and you don't think he can pass an IQ test?


Honestly, I think he can't. And I'm sorry to say that I'm not kidding.

A while back our US correspondent on the national news was openly wondering whether GWB was suffering from a premature case of Alzheimer.

That would certainly explain a lot.
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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby rwwff » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 17:31:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'H')ow about a simple IQ test?
That would have avoided the whole mess Bush has gotten us in.


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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby rwwff » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 21:23:47

See other thread on the pedophile twit. He wasn't a Senator though, he was a House member. However, he had contemplated a Senate run.

As I mentioned in that other thread; these slime infiltrate any and every organization that potentially gives them access to the age group they hunt. Anything from a public school conselor, to church pastor/office worker/janitor, to boy scout leaders, to civil service/federal day care workers. There is one rule to pursue to counter them, There is NEVER a reason for a non-parental adult to be alone with a child. EVER.. No exceptions, no excuses. If something looks funny, or not right, challenge it immediately. An honorable person will not be offended in any way and will likely be comforted that there are other people keeping their eyes open. However, a predator... you will stop, and thus, a child's life you will spare from decades of wrecked misery.

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*I don't think there is evidence that the slime actually touched any kids, but it was only a matter of time, I'm sure.
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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby rwwff » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 21:29:42

On testing... If you're going to exclude megalomania, you should exclude narcisism too.

They are equally dangerous in the hands of people with power.

Fortunately for democracy... you'd have to change the constitution, and you'd never get a sizeable number of red states to place the tests in the hands of liberal activists such as you find in academia.
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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby budeone » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 22:32:10

IMHO .. yes... Holly cow.. just look whats going on... They should have a IQ test b4 running!
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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby perdition79 » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 22:45:32

In 2004, my county came pretty close to electing an unemployed radio "shock jock" with no law enforcement experience to the position of county sheriff. I'd say it's time for more demanding candidate qualification guidelines.
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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby rwwff » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 22:52:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'I') agree with you statement about peds though. Make it so that a non-parental adult shold not be alone with children. But most ped's find their victims through family ties and many do so by becoming parents.


Different set of problems of course. When you boil the problem down to its essentials you come to the understanding that there is not much you can do to stop a parent from harming their children, at least the first time, and even then winnowing the parent that has made a correctable, teachable mistake, vs, the predator who had the kid in order to inflict suffering upon someone is a difficult trick in and of itself. Seperating a kid from the first will do much more harm to the kid than good; seperating the kid from the latter will save their life.

Definately sucks.

But in the context of this thread, people in positions of power influencing unrelated kids... very stoppable. Joe Average just needs to be taught that it is perfectly acceptable to ask, or be asked, "what are you doing with that kid?"

Example: a year or so ago I was in the park with my daughter, and she just ups and takes off for some unknown reason. I didn't want to stop her exploration or solve her "where am I" puzzle for her, but I didn't want to let her out of my sight; so I spend the next ten minutes stalking her through the park and likely creeping out half the adults present. Only when my daughter had found our van and gotten in, and I then approached the van did any adult even think to confront and ask whats up. I wasn't offended, we told our story, and I thanked her for watching out for our kids. I was happy that one asked, I was more than a little disappointed that more didn't say anything.

This is the result of broken and splintered communities. Everyone's afraid to say anything to anyone. And when confronted, you're almost expected to act offended and outraged. Its something that has to stop, but it won't if people won't say something when the chance comes up.
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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby smiley » Sun 01 Oct 2006, 07:10:33

Despite my earlier posts I am quite hesitant to lay any restrictions on who can run for office.

A general health check would be advisable. I talked about the suspicion about Bush having Alzheimer. For people from his age and his background early Alzheimer is a risk.

We already had a couple of cases (i.a. Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher) were leaders were diagnosed with Alzheimer just after leaving office. One cannot escape the notion that these people might have had the first symptoms of this terrible disease during their time in office.

But to lay any further restrictions on those running for office would impede the democratic process.

What I think is more constructive is to educate the people, so that they make a better choice in the elections. With better I mean that they use a rational process to come to their vote instead of relying on underbelly feelings and sound-bites.

A few years ago a party got elected here based on a program consisting of tax increases, spending restrictions and salary reductions. The reason they got elected was because they went to great lengths to explain the general public how the economy works and why these measures were necessary at that time.

I think it proves that the general public is not as stupid as one suspects. If our education institutions would work to give the people the general background in economics, politics, state affairs etc and the politicians would take the effort to explain their plans in detail, then the public will be able the make the choice based on the content of the package, not the appearance.
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Re: Qualified Candidacies

Unread postby JustinFrankl » Sun 01 Oct 2006, 09:41:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'N')arcissism is very bad.

Narcisssism can arise as a self-preservation mechanism, when the individual must become self-involved because no-one else will become involved. And some level of narcissism, also known as self-love, is necessary during healthy development.
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