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How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby Miki » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 07:09:42

Is this true? :)

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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby NEOPO » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 09:08:28

I had the same thought yet I do believe it to be true.

Newsweek spotlights Afghanistan for overseas readers, Annie Leibovitz in U.S.

Story missing! ;-)

Newsweek spotlights Afghanistan for overseas readers

Newsweek spotlights Afghanistan for overseas readers, Annie Leibovitz at home

Newsweek Prints Two Different Covers

Is this orwellian enough for everyone??? I hope so and I am sure there are many many other things going on that we have simply not picked up on yet besides the obvious slant offered up by most news agencies currently.

I started noticing this because of PO and global warming.
I noticed how neutral international news seemed to be as opposed to the shit americans are being fed on a daily basis.

Daily I hear the rant of some misinformed idiot about how the liberal media is in control......gotta be fuc*ing kidding me!!?!?!

The only person I can even stand to watch anymore is Olbermann on MSNBC and even that is hard sometimes.
With that in mind the following came as no surprise:

Olbermann: Threatening letter no joke

Actually I am surprised that certain people have not had an "accident" by now.
Sad state of affairs indeed.
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby Doly » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 09:15:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')Is this orwellian enough for everyone???


Yes.

By the way, does somebody know the nitty gritty details on how this state of affairs is happening? How, exactly, is the US government infiltrating the media to make sure the news is what they want?
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby budeone » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 09:20:58

There are only a handful of owners for all the media.. Its big business and they coddle to the Republicans.. Big money.. Look at Hurst with all the 9-11 stuff.
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 09:34:58

Newspapers and TV news in America have declining market share. More and more people are tuning out and going to alternative media. Newspapers are on the edge of going out of business, consolidating and laying off staff.
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby mekrob » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 09:37:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow, exactly, is the US government infiltrating the media to make sure the news is what they want?


Or maybe it's just that Americans aren't interested in that kind of stuff. We want happy, not sad. Beautiful gardens, not war (unless we're kicking ass). Moms with kids, not soldiers with arms. In a nation where almost half still think Saddam had a direct hand in 9/11 even though Bush acknowledged that's not the case, guess what? People don't like foreign events. It doesn't interest them. What does a sheeple say? Bbbbaaaaahhhh
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby rwwff » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 11:03:52

Ya can't sell handsoap in the US if you continually support the notion that America sucks.
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby perdition79 » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 12:06:11

Any American who gets their news solely from an American news source is a fool. The day of the Columbine massacre, the largest news story in the world was massive killing in Kosovo, not a damned school shooting. I remember that day in 1999 as the first time I realized that the American media is full of dogcrap.
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby TommyJefferson » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 12:55:36

rwwff has it. International readers desire to read about how much America sucks and how it is losing wars.

American readers desire to read about Jewish lesbian celebrity photographers with kids.

Now ask, what teaches Americans that celebrity Jewish lesbians are more deserving of their limited attention than dead American soldiers from rural Alabama?

American pop culture does. Who has shaped and crafted this American pop culture other the last 60 years? The small-town newspaper editor? The 8th grade history teacher in Middleville? Or, the people who own CBS, NBC, ABC, Disney, HBO, MTV, Nickelodeon, and Disney, TriStar, and Universal Studios?
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby CrudeAwakening » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 16:29:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')Is this orwellian enough for everyone???


Yes.

By the way, does somebody know the nitty gritty details on how this state of affairs is happening? How, exactly, is the US government infiltrating the media to make sure the news is what they want?


In the 1950s and 1960s, the US media was heavily infiltrated by the CIA. They called it Operation Mockingbird. Supposedly, in the mid-70s, after this was exposed by the Church Commission, this was discontinued. Supposedly..
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby dukey » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 18:10:01

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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby katkinkate » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 19:00:36

I've always had the impression that US was only interested in the US, and that few people in the US knew much about the greater world, or were even interested to know. Even the tourists that travelled abroad tended to keep to the big hotel chains and resorts. So how much is the big media restricting US news to 'safe' subjects, rather than big media giving the US people what they want - what they will buy.
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby rwwff » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 19:15:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', 'S')o how much is the big media restricting US news to 'safe' subjects, rather than big media giving the US people what they want - what they will buy.


Dreaded chicken'n'egg thing I think. Media won't run blatantly anti-american stories, cause Americans will turn the channel to one of the other 437 news channels. Americans wish to watch only pro-American, or very, very tame critique of America news because all they've seen are what politicians and American entertainment culture have presented them.

In the end though, I stick to my guns. You want to sell handsoap in the US, you've got to run pro-US stories, and any criticism has to be of the softest, vaguest sort possible, and MUST NOT imply that Americans themselves are the source of a problem. Best not to critique at all though, that'll sell the soap and levitra.
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby dukey » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 22:14:13

it is basically propaganda,
someone at the top is pulling the strings on what the media can and can not say.

olbermann about the only one which speaks out on msnbc keeps recieving threats and got 'white power' in his mail which was suspected to by anthrax but turned out to be just white powder. But even so,
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby Miki » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 07:59:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', 'S')o how much is the big media restricting US news to 'safe' subjects, rather than big media giving the US people what they want - what they will buy.


Dreaded chicken'n'egg thing I think. Media won't run blatantly anti-american stories, cause Americans will turn the channel to one of the other 437 news channels. Americans wish to watch only pro-American, or very, very tame critique of America news because all they've seen are what politicians and American entertainment culture have presented them.


I nderstood the first part of your argument, but the last part doesn't make sense to me. Why would people refuse to be exposed to information that contradicts what the government has told them? Roy mentioned that Americans have been indocrinated into thinking that their government is an ever righteous institution. But still, this can't be the whole explanation considering that every other nation in the world is suspicious of their own government. Look at the violent riots in Hungary. Look at the fierce opposition of Blair in the UK, in spite of the fact that he delivers almost exactly the same justifications that Bush does, albeit in a much smarter fashion.

There's a piece of the puzzle missing here. It just seems so odd to me that a whole nation can be misled in the most stupid fashion. Because one does not need to be very intelligent to figure out all the double standards, labels, leading questions in the media, or all simplicity and absurdity in Bush's rhetoric. One doesn't even need to know much about American foreign policy. I am reminded of Drollete's sarcastic commentary on the recent intelligence report about Irak, which he titled " Report’s Startling Conclusion: Bombing People Really Pisses Them Off". I mean, did Americans really needed an intelligence report to figure that one out?

And then again, I see very intelligent/educated people in this forum who do know about American foreign policy, and they still deny that American foreig policy may have a role in the incidence of Islamic terrorism, when this is something that almost every person in the Arab street knows. And that I find extremely puzzling. My opinion is that the media's influence is much more severe and insidious than what most of you realize. And the best example is the reporting on Israel. The American media rarely mentions that the occupation is illegal. I wish there were any polls out there about this because I would bet my house that a great proportion of Americans don't even know the occupation is illegal.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the end though, I stick to my guns. You want to sell handsoap in the US, you've got to run pro-US stories, and any criticism has to be of the softest, vaguest sort possible, and MUST NOT imply that Americans themselves are the source of a problem. Best not to critique at all though, that'll sell the soap and levitra.


Everytime you talk about the soap I laugh Rwwff. This is a very serious, but I can't help but laugh when you say that. Are you sure it is the soap that is getting all the attention? I would think food would be more popular, but I don't watch American TV as much as you do :).

PMS: I thought you said that my idea that the American media brainwashed people was rather crazy. It seems you changed your mind. Or maybe not.
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby TommyJefferson » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 09:39:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'I') nderstood the first part of your argument, but the last part doesn't make sense to me. Why would people refuse to be exposed to information that contradicts what the government has told them?


Miki, the majority of Americans don't give a flip about U.S. foreign policy because it has little or no effect on their day-to-day lives.

I think you fail to understand how large and diverse America really is. All that 'middle-east stuff' is a television show. It doesn't happen in their town, or anywhere within 2,000 miles of their town. It has as much relevance to their lives as Gene Simmons' Family Jewels.

If you flew to Houtson Intercontinental airport I could drive you to a nearby grocery store where I guarantee only 1 out of 100 people walking in the door could tell you what is the Palestinian conflict.

That is no a moral failure on their part. They have absolutely no reason to be concerned with such things because those things have an absolutely miniscule effect on their lives in comparison to traffic, rent, or illegal aliens.
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby Miki » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 09:50:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'I')t has as much relevance to their lives as Gene Simmons' Family Jewels.


It has a lot of relevance when they're getting atacked as a consequence. Perhaps that's why the neocons are so obsessed with hiding the role that American foreign policy plays in the roots of terrorism.

And if it has no relevance, how come the last few elections have been heavily influenced by how the government handles terrorism?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat is no a moral failure on their part. They have absolutely no reason to be concerned with such things because those things have an absolutely miniscule effect on their lives in comparison to traffic, rent, or illegal aliens.


I disagree. If you condone the atacks of your government against other people, then you must bear the consequences. If you consider your government is righteous in atacking them, then you should understand that the terrorists have every reason to atack you.
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 12:03:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'I')t has a lot of relevance when they're getting atacked as a consequence.


Exactly. But Americans aren't getting attacked as a result. 3,000 people died in 9-11....many of them weren't even American. For the average American that translates into a risk of one per 100,000. That's about the same risk of death as you get from driving 770 miles in a car. 9-11 was a symbolic event. Sort of like when your favorite team gets trounced in the super bowl. True America's pride was gravely injured, but they have short attention spans.
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby NEOPO » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 12:16:26

indeed.
They may perceive a threat yet do they really believe terror will reach their home town...no.

They think they are doing their part by not saying anything against their government/military.

An unspoken and silent agreement.

It is a moral failure just like the effects of our unsustainable way of life upon the environment that few wish to discuss.
It IS a moral failure and history shows many examples of this.
The problem is that few can see it before the worst happens.
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Re: How America is propagandized (funny)

Postby MountainHiker » Sat 30 Sep 2006, 22:52:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '
')Miki, the majority of Americans don't give a flip about U.S. foreign policy because it has little or no effect on their day-to-day lives.


Sure it does, they're just too ignorant to understand that it does or they prefer to ignore it.

The war in Iraq alone has cost American taxpayers over $330 billion in tax dollars (at least) that could have gone toward their infrastructure or less dependence on foreign oil. That doesn't include Afghanistan or who knows what else we're paying for so the military can rove around the world as we play big shot bully. Moving those troops costs lots of money.

To help fund this war Bush Inc. borrows the money with interest from their banker buddies and helps dig us deeper and deeper into debt on a daily basis. All of which drags on the economy.

The fed also helps out by adding their favorite hidden tax: inflation. That's how they can dole out the tax cuts during a war. They'll hide it by having an easy money policy which allows the fed to print more money making your dollars worth less, yet giving the government more to use for their adventurism and crony no-bid contracts.

Considering our foreign policy digs us deeper into debt every single day and drags down the economy, it does affect Americans. They just choose not think it does or they prefer ignorance.
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