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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby nwildmand » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 18:24:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', '
')dont forget howard stern on that list.
He's a Jew too? That's it, I'm going over to the dark side!


sure is. didnt the curly hair and hook nose give it away? lol, that a bad stereotype, forgive me.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')he jews were trying to implement communisim in germany before the war with close ties to the bolshevics.

history is so much deeper than most people realize.
yes, it is. Socialism, Bolshevism, Marxism, all that stuff the Jews went for and played big roles in. But those were European movements, not Jewish movements. An example of a Jewish Movement to come out of Europe would be Zionism.[/quote]

sorry for not being a little more specific about that. yes they were major players. read up, they might be a little more jewish than you think.

unbiased history from that time period is very hard to come by.
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 18:59:52

There is a long history of Jewish influence in banking.

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Nice one PMS. Thanks.
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby threadbear » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 19:27:43

I've always been perfectly happy with Jews having a disproportionate amount of influence and power to manage the economy. Who better to do this? The power of the Jewish lobby in Washington and the evaporation of any kind of divide between politics and economy lately, is bothering me, though. Any powerful lobby with special interests bothers me, be they Swedish gentleman farmers from Minnesota, or African American oboe players for peace.
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 19:47:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'T')here is a long history of Jewish influence in banking.

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Nice one PMS. Thanks.
glad you liked it! :-D I put a little background in there to fill out the idea.
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby Miki » Wed 27 Sep 2006, 08:10:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')ell, I don't think I was unclear about what I was saying, but I don't know. I was responding to the issue of why Jews are so prominent in influential circles and why they have a strong element of globalism in their outlook. I spoke of their history and how it shaped them.


I do believe that some cultures promote certain areas of expertise and that this is transmited from generation to generation. For example, the Phoenicians were the great traders of the Mediterranean, and today Lebanese are known for their entrepeneur and trade abilities.

On the other hand, the issue of their prominence in influential circles has a lot to do with the fact that the term "Jew" is so wide encompassing. When you talk about "Jews", you're talking about people from nationalities from all around the world. I'm sure you can find as many Christians in influential circles---so it's not a "Jew" thing religion-wise. Also, the influence of Jews is closely tied to Western (particularly American) political interests. I don't see Jews being more prominent than Arabs in LatinAmerica. Both groups are pretty prominent in Peru, for example.

And closely related to politics is the issue of the media. This may just be a cnspiracy theory, but it seems to me that Jews or pro-Israeli people own important media companies all around the world. When you have such a global and powerful PR campaign going on, you'll probably have more chances to be influential.

Were Jews this influential in America before WWII?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o you see a claim that Jews are "superior" in this? I did mention Jewish intelligence. You probably know of Murray & Herrnstein's book The Bell Curve and its controversial chapters about the relative intelligence of various American ethnic groups.


I'm a Psychology major :). Those studies were biased because the IQ tests used at the time were written in terms that suited White culture and made it harder for African-Americans to get the answers right. Once the tests were corrected for cultural biases, the differences disappeared.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') also mentioned inferiority complexes as an aspect of anti-semitism. It really is a bit of a stretch to extrapolate from that a claim on my part that "Jews are superior". Maybe this really does show that you may have a bit of a tendency to read things in that aren't there based on tendentious presuppostions.


Well, I did ask you if I understood right, didn't I? Thus, I did not assume before making sure that I understood what you were saying.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell sure. Did you read that Spengler article I linked about how the problems started when European Jews started introducing modern agricultural methods? A little thought about that and it's not hard to guess what sort of social dynamic was going on.


I didn't see the post where you linked it. Where is it?

It's not hard to figure out that if a lot of people start entering illegally (ie, invading) your land, you'd feel threatened and fights will emerge. Most of the land taken initially by the Jew settlers was not sold to them but taken illegally, as confirmed by a former Israeli Foreign Minister and several modern Israeli historians (Source)
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 27 Sep 2006, 08:44:26

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/HI26Aa01.html


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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby skiwi » Wed 27 Sep 2006, 10:04:55

The Rothchilds

[url=http://goldismoney.info/forums/t66815-excellent-article-on-rothschild-history.html]The World Order A Study in the Hegemony of Parasitism
The history and practices of the parasitic financial elite
-- by Eustace Mullins, 1984[/url]

Note the year

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.').This was the first time that the Seligmans had been asked to participate in an issue with the Rothschilds. They were more than grateful, and thus another ally of the Rothschilds began to operate in America.
A notable advantage of J.P. Morgan's work for the House of Rothschild was the carefully cultivated belief that Morgan, if not openly "anti-Semitic", avoided participating in operations with Jewish banking firms, and that his firm would not hire anyone of Jewish background. It was the same deception which Nathan Mayer Rothschild had hired Morgan's predecessor, George Peabody, to perform in London. It was a traditional belief on Wall Street that if you wished to deal with a "gentiles only" firm, you went to J.P. Morgan; if you wanted a Jewish firm, there were a number of houses available, but the most influential, by far, was Kuhn, Loeb Co. In either case, the customer was never made aware that he was dealing with an American representative of the House of Rothschild.
Jacob Schiff, who brought the Kuhn, Loeb firm to its preeminent role in American finance, was born in the Rothschild house at 148 Judengasse, Frankfurt, which the Rothschilds shared with the Schiff family. In 1867, Abraham Kuhn and Solomon Loeb, two Cincinnati dry goods merchants, founded the banking house of Kuhn, Loeb. In 1875, Jacob Schiff arrived from Frankfurt to join the firm. He married Therese, Solomon's daughter. He also brought a large amount of Rothschild capital into the firm, enabling it to expand tenfold. In 1885, Loeb retired; Jacob Schiff ran the firm from 1885 to 1920, when he died.
At no time has the House of Rothschild ever indicated publicly that it had any interest in the firm of Kuhn, Loeb Co. George R. Conroy stated in Truth magazine, Boston, Dec. 16, 1912:
"Mr. Schiff is head of the great private banking house of Kuhn, Loeb & Co., which represents the Rothschild interests on this side of the Atlantic. He has been described as a financial strategist and has been for years the financial minister of the great impersonal power known as Standard Oil. He was hand-in-glove with the Harrimans, the Goulds and the Rockefellers in all their railroad enterprises and has become the dominant power in the railroad and financial world of America."
This is one more revelation of the hidden power of the Rothschild interests in America. Not only has it directed the Rockefeller enterprises from the time that National City Bank of Cleveland, a Rothschild bank, financed the early expansion of Rockefeller's South Improvement Co. which enabled him to crush his competitors through illegal railway rebates, but it has also been the power behind the scenes of the Harriman fortunes, now Brown Brothers Harriman. It explains the frequent appointments (never elections) of W. Averell Harriman, the dominant power in the Democratic Party, while his partner's son, George [H.W.] Bush, is the Republican vice-president, a heartbeat away from the Presidency of the United States. [elected president in 1988 --ed]
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Oh and yeah I know

"Mullins is the most vicious anti-Semite on the face of the planet."
- Chip Berlet, Political Research Associates

And can you remember back to 2002 when Arnie met Rothschild

Arnold: The Rothschilds' Man in California

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.').On Sept. 24, 2002, Reuters published a story called 'Buffett's Back, with the Terminator' about Arnold and billionaire Warren Buffett visiting the ancestral home of the Rothschilds in England, where they "stepped onto Waddesdon's freshly cut lawn to be greeted by Lord Jacob Rothschild... Among those invited to Waddesdon Manor were the likes of James Wolfensohn, president of the World Bank, Jorma Ollila, chief executive of Nokia and De Beers chairman Nicky Oppenheimer..


And 2003 Rothschilds Conduct "Red Symphony

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')USSIA STRUGGLES IN ROTHSCHILD CLUTCH

Europe and the United States long ago succumbed to Rothschild Illuminati control. In Russia, there are still some death spasms.

Recently, Vladimir Putin arrested Mikhail Khordordovsky, the head of Russia's largest oil company "Yukos" and "the richest man in Russia."

Putin announced that Russia would seize his $12 billion 26% stake in the oil company, one of many national assets plundered in the reorganization of Communism 15 years ago.

Then we learn the shares already had passed to none other than banker Jacob Rothschild under a "previously unknown arrangement" designed for such circumstances. The two have known each other for years "through their mutual love of the arts." http://washingtontimes.com/world/200311 ... -3720r.htm

Rakovsky told Kus'min that the Illuminati do not take political or financial positions. They use "intermediaries."

"Bankers and politicians are only men of straw.... even though they occupy high places and appear to be authors of the plans which are carried out..." (248-249)

Obviously Khodordovsky is an "intermediary" for Rothschild. So are Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger and Ariel Sharon who each spoke out against Putin's action. Perle, the architect of the Iraq war, called for the expulsion of Russia from the Group of Eight. Sharon expressed concern about "persecution of Jewish businessmen." Khodordovsky is Jewish as is Simon Kukes his successor. And Perle and Kissinger.

Many Jews serve the Illuminati and that is one reason for anti Semitism. But Tony Blair and George W. Bush serve it too and are not Jewish. The membership of the Bilderbergers and the Skull and Bones is mostly not Jewish. The Illuminati is an alliance between the Rothschilds, and the world's super rich united by Freemasonry, which consider Lucifer to be God.
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby Falconoffury » Wed 27 Sep 2006, 15:18:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ho are you to question anybody's right to have children when not only were you one once, but you have reproduced as well ?


Who are you to take food off my plate to feed your bratty kids?!

In a world of static or shrinking resources, more people means resources spread more thinly among them.

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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby holmes » Wed 27 Sep 2006, 15:30:32

Freedom now is the freedom to fight to acquire the resources needed to keep your freedom to breed. Its a dead end street.
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