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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby qwerty » Mon 25 Sep 2006, 19:29:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ho really runs America?


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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby Denny » Mon 25 Sep 2006, 20:21:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', '[')
also denny, holmes "low iq" statement has already been proven. there is a reverse correlation between spirituality and intelligence.


Wow, so let us assume there is some "correlation". Big whoop. The original statment painted religious people as being low IQ cretins. With a broad brush. But, we all now there are some dumb atheists just as there are some brilliant religious. Look at people as individuals, not as "classes". To work on any other assumption is to bring prejudice into our thought processes. That is wrong, both morally and practically.
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby nwildmand » Mon 25 Sep 2006, 21:42:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', '
')Wow, so let us assume there is some "correlation". Big whoop.


sorry denny but facts are never a big whoop.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'T')he original statment painted religious people as being low IQ cretins. With a broad brush.


thats just the way he works... hell we all work that way in some way or another. just look at all the "neocon" bashing going on here. how about he arab or jew bashing. that is not a big brush but a whole roller.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', ' ') But, we all now there are some dumb atheists just as there are some brilliant religious.


with out a doubt there are, holmes knows this as well. he is not stupid. he is incitful. and you fell for it

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', ' ')Look at people as individuals, not as "classes". To work on any other assumption is to bring prejudice into our thought processes. That is wrong, both morally and practically.


thats just illogical thinking. would you ever move into a black ghetto? of course not because, you know your family is not as safe there.

face it denny the world works that way from top to bottom. if you dont think that way your just deluding yourself.

i know there are alway exceptions to the rule. you just got to be able to look a the whole picture.
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby budeone » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 11:04:17

The PNAC has much to do with who runs America..
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby Denny » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 11:05:15

[quote="nwildmand
thats just illogical thinking. would you ever move into a black ghetto? of course not because, you know your family is not as safe there.

face it denny the world works that way from top to bottom. if you dont think that way your just deluding yourself.

i know there are alway exceptions to the rule. you just got to be able to look a the whole picture.[/quote]

Geez nwildman, it seems like you are a throwback to the era before civil rights. Yes, the world once worked that way, but we, as a society, learned from past mistakes. That is why we have human rights laws and tribunals. Did you miss something in your upbringing or schooling? Did you hear of people like John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King?

I will admit to one thing. No, I wouldn't live in a poor black ghetto. I have worked hard, saved carefully, paid my taxes and given to charity along the way. Nor do I see the ghetto as being representative of black people who have done like me.
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 11:17:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('budeone', 'T')he PNAC has much to do with who runs America..


PNAC members like Richard Pearle, Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith?

Oh wait, weren't those the #1, #2 and #3 names from Miki's list?

I think I'm seeing a pattern here...
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby Lawmage » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 11:56:02

While I find the anti-Semitism so many of you here display, there is some bit of truth to the claim that Jews are influential in America. Of course, one could make a similar argument that the educated are influential. Or perhaps that the wealthy are influential. Or that Ivy League grads are influential.

Why the number of Jews, given their minority demographic? Well, use history as a guide. Look at the underpinnings of our modern military-industrial complex dominated society. Look back to the original Committee on the Present Danger from 1950. Look its its re-incarnated version from the 1970s and its connection to Team B. Look at its modern re-incarnation. The original CPD was dominated by Nitze and Acheson et al. The reincarnated versions are similarly dominated by those who are committed to a similar agenda.

I would suggest that the agenda is not the spread of Judaism or the dominance of Jews but rather the spread of American hegemony around the globe. In that respect, Israel as an extant nation is a useful tool. It keeps the ME volatile and more readily manipulated by US policy makers. In this regard, the US is not so much controlled by Israel/Jews as the US finds Israel useful in the pursuit of its own goals. Indeed, when one looks at the figures who laid the foundation of our current military-industrial complex, they were hardly dedicated Zionist regardless of whether or not they were Jews.

I would like to point out something else...As nwildmand pointed out, this is not just a neo-con agenda. Look at the most influential people who work behind the scenes...the kingmakers if you will. They cross party lines. They are captains of industry and leaders of organized labor. The CPD (all three incarnations) is a good place to start looking but look also at groups like the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies or RAND Corporation...All share members with similar agendas. They are generally internationalists, interventionists, and militarists. Party affiliation of of secondary, if not tertiary, significance. In part, this commonality of agenda explains why American foreign policy generally seems to follow the same pattern. The overarching goal is always the security, and growth, of the American hegemony.
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby Aaron » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 12:50:24

I call thread abandonment in a most "troll-like" fashion on Miki.

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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby Miki » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 13:06:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', 'M')iki, I think that is a list of prominent neo-conservatives; I dont think that they are all jews even.


That's why I said Jews or pro-Israel. Also, they are not all neocons. If you see thelist of people who receive money from pro-Israeli organizations, many of them are Democrats, including John Kerry.

Jack: Just because a Nazi website affirms a fact, that doesn't make the fact less true, as you seem to suggest. Many non-Nazi organizations affirm exactly the same thing. But thanks for the link: the quote you showed says it all, doesn't it?

Aaron: I agree that the source is not the best, but the information is there for anyone to dispute. If anyone has any information that contradicts the biographies posted by the websites, would you please let us know?

PMS:
Are you claiming that the Jews are a superior group, or did I understand wrong? I think there are successful people in all ethnic groups. Interestingly, back in Peru there were two groups who seemed to own a lot of the most successful businesses: Palestinians and Jews :).

By the way, do you know that before the European Jew settlers arrived to the British Mandate of Palestine, there were many Arab Jews who coexisted with the Christian Arabs and Muslim Arabs in that land? And they certainly were getting along much better than now...
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby foodnotlawns » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 13:21:34

Um, can I weigh in on this without getting banned permanently?

This thread contains posts that are far more radical than anything I've ever posted, and yet I'm very close to getting banned permanently.

A common theme of my posts is that we, America, are the real Nazis now in 2006. Americans are all complicit under the Hollywood-Nazi Bush regime.

We are far worse than the real Third Reich, and we are about as evil as the Hollywood Nazis depicted in Hollywood movies about the World War II era.

I mourn the deaths of Iraqis and Afghans in these wars of imperial choice by Bush, backed by a country that is morally blind.

I recognize that I, along with all my fellow Americans, are personally responsible for what Bush is doing, and our failure to resist the Bush junta makes us guilty cowards at best.

I personally try to deconsume as much as possible, and I am getting my White nationalist comrades to follow suit, in order to support the Bush junta as little as possible, and to have the strength to resist when teh collapse hits.

I am part of the real White Gentile resistance. We are committed at this time to non-violent, legal resistance of an economic and agrarian nature. I do not incite violence and I don't commit it. But I do believe in calling a spade a spade.

So can I start posting more freely now? Or shall I continue to be singled out?
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby holmes » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 13:33:26

Sprituality is different than religion. and yes you have to be stupid to be religious from what Im seeing. I mean they think past civilization collapses are theories and part of a political/antireligious agenda. "Christians" feel the reasons for the mayan collapse was becuase they practiced a religion other than the all perfect christiananity. They deny reality while they live in a technological vapor lock chambers. insulated. Oh human sacrifice caused the collapse. No it was they grew like a fucking weed and consumed thier resources faster than they could regen. and had habits that proved unconditional to the region. Its so simple its stupid. And religionists are S T U P I D. I have zero respect for religions. ALL of them. How dare they tell me what is reality when I have mroe experience than all of them combined. Im out there day in day out. Im educated in reality. They create their own misery and fantasy. Dont push that crap on me.
Religions are anti archeology and thats enough for me to hate them and want them all dead.
Nwildman, I did not know it was correlated. I was just observing the stupidity and low IQ behavior by observation and experience. Interesting. They are also insane as well. Its reaching hyper fantasy land levels. especially with cretinous Muslims. Man theya re stupid. anything sub 100 is an idiot. Sorry to offend. Im 131.
Theya have it all twisted. The reasons they blame for things are acutally the reasons that arent the problems. and the problems they believe are not problems. You get my drift? Their logic is twisted and specious. Upside down bizzaro world. can not discuss anything with them thats like talking to an android.
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby Miki » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 13:49:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('foodnotlawns', 'I') mourn the deaths of Iraqis and Afghans in these wars of imperial choice by Bush, backed by a country that is morally blind.

I recognize that I, along with all my fellow Americans, are personally responsible for what Bush is doing, and our failure to resist the Bush junta makes us guilty cowards at best.


Isn't it amazing that most people around here would call you a racist for advocating a pure race, yet they don't consider themselves racist for considering the life of a non-American less worthy than the life of an American? Because that's what it is when you think killing an Arab for an American to have oil is justified. That is like saying that the life of an Arab child is worth less than the life of the cow that you kill to eat beef.

You're one of the few people from the hundreds that read and post in this forum who has shown some compassion towards the Arab people that your government is killing. You're one of the very few Americans who have accepted their responsability.

In my book, they are much closer to a Nazi than you are. They are well less compassionate and way less moral. You don't advocate violence; they do. You don't kill for greed. They do. You want a pure race but won't coerce anyone to achieve it. They want to keep Americans' "lifestyle" and they're willing to kill as many non-Americans as necessary to achieve it.

Some of the people in this forum are nauseating in their lack of compassion, moral principles, and integrity. These people are intelligent and educated, yet morally and spiritually they are mediocre, primitive, and insignificant. Some of them pride themselves in their freedom, and their defense of justice and human rights; yet, they advocate for a world in which their values are prostituted in every way; some of them think they're Christians; yet, they willingly give power to beasts that slaughter children in exchange for money and hegemony.

I only have pity for those people. The essence of a human being ismanifested in how you treat others. If you're willing to kill another human being in order to keep your pampered lifestyle, there is not much difference between you and an animal.

Holmes: Most people in the world believe in a religion and practice it to one extent or the other. If we follow your logic, most of us are stupid, and only you and the other atheists are smart.

Oh, and thanks for letting us know your IQ is 130. Now I know that it's the drugs and not an IQ problem.
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby Atlantean_Relic » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 14:00:38

:roll: Please, Miki, the enemy of my enemy is my friend until the shared enemy is dead. FNL and his ilk will turn on you the moment the "Jewish overlords" are dealt with. But, if you favor a poisoned honey tongue so be it.
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby holmes » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 14:10:33

Miki,
Do u ever consider overpopulation and overbreeding in your assertions. There can never be enough when humans breed like rats. and thats a fact. Many humans need to die. Compassion for fellow man? Im not compassionate to a self centered breeder whos spewing out loads of human cyborgs onto and allready filled landscape. none, one or two. More than that Im looking at you as a subhuman specious. Lower than bacteria. Definately not "modern" or advanced. More like cretin and simian.
and then blaming others for a toxic human biomass overload! Dont blame me! What we are seeing now is when too many humans are plopped out all control is lost. and its only started.
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby holmes » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 14:21:58

Look at this well! Its YOUR KINDS that have been driving the insatiable thirsts for resources. Your lebanese and muslim immigrants are in there as well! You are the ones that want want want! WE were getting educated and breeding less. You know what your WRONG! all u Miki types! YOU ARE YOUR own enemy! Dont blame me and my family and friends.
Im sure thay wont read it tho. They will continue to spew their illogic. They come here breed like rats and want ALL the material possessions. Your people are no different. Nothing special. Materialists and cargoists. read it and truth rules!
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby Denny » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 14:32:26

What is completely wrong throughout this diatribe is applying "stupid/smart" labels to people on the basis of their ethnicity or religion.

We are all individuals.

If you want to be an atheist, go ahead, its your right. But, why slam others who see things a different way? Unless they are threatening to compel you to walk in their ways.

Its become fashionable to blame the worst of violence and warring on religion. But, the hit parade of the worst tyrants, the worst killers of the 20th century is led by Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot. (Maybe not in that order.) Not one of them religious. Some argue that Hitler was a Catholic, but he abandoned the faith, as can be seen by these rants, some of which are all too much like those belonging to a couple of people posting here:

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... "

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity...."

"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... "

"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... "

"Christianity <is> the liar.... "

"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State."

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... "

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery...." <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>....

"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."

"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity."

"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>."


From Adolf Hitler - Christian, Atheist or Neither?
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby clueless » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 14:32:58

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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby clueless » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 14:33:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')You know what your WRONG! all u Miki types! YOU ARE YOUR own enemy! Dont blame me and my family and friends.


Oh, so it's OK for you to breed and not me ? Sorry holmes - Everybody has the right to re-produce, unless you want to engineer a race of people that cannot.

Who are you to question anybody's right to have children when not only were you one once, but you have reproduced as well ?

And the fall in birth rates in western civ. has ntohing to do with getting smarter, but being more selfish. And if you want to take over the Muslims then why not encourage the Western World to have more kids ?
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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby mekrob » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 14:59:48

Denny, I've seen plenty of other Hitler quotes that affirm him as a Christian and sought to make Germany more Christian, or at least religious.

"If positive Christianity means love of one's neighbour, i.e. the tending of the sick, the clothing of the poor, the feeding of the hungry, the giving of drink to those who are thirsty, then it is we who are the more positive Christians. For in these spheres the community of the people of National Socialist Germany has accomplished a prodigious work."


God the Almighty has made our nation. By defending its existence we are defending His work....



The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.


We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.


What can we say? Hitler was fucked up.

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Re: Who really runs America?

Unread postby nwildmand » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 15:05:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'W')hat is completely wrong throughout this diatribe is applying "stupid/smart" labels to people on the basis of their ethnicity or religion.

We are all individuals.
Adolf Hitler - Christian, Atheist or Neither?


fine dennny, if it makes you feel better about yourself by ignoring statistics so be it.

and thanks for the hitler quotes, i recently lost a debate here to mekrob for not having those.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'O')h, so it's OK for you to breed and not me ? Sorry holmes - Everybody has the right to re-produce, unless you want to engineer a race of people that cannot.


can you spell dieoff?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wikipedia', '^') The Gaza Strip has one of the highest overall growth rates and population densities in the world. The 2006 population was 1,428,757 giving the region a population density of 3,750 persons per sq km (9,712 per sq mi). More than half of Gazans live in the region's urban centers, the largest of which is the city of Gaza.


you dont honestly expect israel to absorb these rabbits.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'A')nd if you want to take over the Muslims then why not encourage the Western World to have more kids ?


while i dont have a problem with this, the world is in overshoot and white people are a dying race
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