graph:
1) I think yall are still wanting things to happen to quickly.
2) honestly thinking here, is the hunter gatherer guy in 4078 ce happier than the industrial cubicle warrior of 2005?
aliens:
If I were them, I'd let the situation fully play out without interference. If there's something left worth talking to in a couple hundred years we could intervene then. Knowledge should still be pretty solid; only tech application would be toast.
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Exploring the galaxy for other habitable planets
Re: Exploring the galaxy for other habitable planets
by rwwff » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 00:36:33
abundance fleeting
men falling like hungry leaves
decay masters all
men falling like hungry leaves
decay masters all
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Re: Exploring the galaxy for other habitable planets
by Falconoffury » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 01:50:37
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou are essentially telling me and everyone else that it will be impossible. Should we not have any children then?
Not none. Just far less than the current birth rate.
"If humans don't control their numbers, nature will." -Pimentel
"There is not enough trash to go around for everyone," said Banrel, one of the participants in the cattle massacre.
"Bush, Bush, listen well: Two shoes on your head," the protesters chant
"There is not enough trash to go around for everyone," said Banrel, one of the participants in the cattle massacre.
"Bush, Bush, listen well: Two shoes on your head," the protesters chant
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Re: Exploring the galaxy for other habitable planets
by venky » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 02:20:46
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gigashadow', 'W')hat, exactly, is so important about preserving the human race?
What do you have against the human race?
I play the cards I'm dealt, though I sometimes bluff.
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Re: Exploring the galaxy for other habitable planets
by Doly » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 05:54:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gigashadow', 'W')hat, exactly, is so important about preserving the human race?
That I belong to it, and I'd like to survive?
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Re: Exploring the galaxy for other habitable planets
by robski » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 06:19:57
Crazily deep thread.
But here's something to consider from my favourite philosopher, Terence Mckenna:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ear with me. So this process of complexification is going on in nature. When you look at it you realize that it happened faster and faster. It took a long time for there to be life, or just for planets to form, and stars to settle down. Then once you get life, you get a very rapid proliferation of form, and by rapid I mean in scales of hundreds of millions of years, and then you get higher animals. After that you get animals like ourselves, and you get language, and culture, and writing, and electronic media. Each of these steps occurs more and more quickly, leading to the conclusion that human history and the presence of tool making, poetry making, and thinking creatures on this planet have something to do with being caught, or you might otherwise say, fortunately positioned very close to a kind of anomaly that is haunting space and time. You can think of it as a collision with a hyper dimensional black hole.
We and our universe and everything in it are being sucked closer and closer into the presence of something which seems to be made out of pure idea. It's very hard to English, but it explains basically what's going on on this planet - why it is that 50,000 years ago, shit-hurling monkeys decided to set off on the long march toward the space shuttle, and an integrated global economy, and toxic pollution, and the whole ball of wax? A process of some sort unique in nature was unleashed 25-50,000 years ago. From that point on there was a tremendous push into symbolic expression and the cultural consequence of symbolic expression which is technology. And now, we've run the nut right off the end of the bolt, and the planet's finite limits are being reached. But the process shows no sign of slowing down. So rather than see it as some apocalypse or some terrible flaw of human fate run amok, I see it as a natural phenomenon. Human history is not our fault.
The world is getting weirder and weirder by leaps and bounds. It's moving faster and faster. It's very science fiction. You have potentially human life-extinguishing epidemic diseases, at the same time that you have whispers of cold fusion and journeys to the stars. Meanwhile people are meeting little rubbery beings in their bedrooms in the middle of the night, and having rectal examinations. All this crazy shit is going on which is called the melt-down of Western civilization at the end of the second millennium. Then if you toss psychedelic drugs into the mix, shamanic plants and this sort of thing, and make journeys out into the architectonic superspace of the culture, you quickly realize the cosmic egg is cracking.
But here's something to consider from my favourite philosopher, Terence Mckenna:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ear with me. So this process of complexification is going on in nature. When you look at it you realize that it happened faster and faster. It took a long time for there to be life, or just for planets to form, and stars to settle down. Then once you get life, you get a very rapid proliferation of form, and by rapid I mean in scales of hundreds of millions of years, and then you get higher animals. After that you get animals like ourselves, and you get language, and culture, and writing, and electronic media. Each of these steps occurs more and more quickly, leading to the conclusion that human history and the presence of tool making, poetry making, and thinking creatures on this planet have something to do with being caught, or you might otherwise say, fortunately positioned very close to a kind of anomaly that is haunting space and time. You can think of it as a collision with a hyper dimensional black hole.
We and our universe and everything in it are being sucked closer and closer into the presence of something which seems to be made out of pure idea. It's very hard to English, but it explains basically what's going on on this planet - why it is that 50,000 years ago, shit-hurling monkeys decided to set off on the long march toward the space shuttle, and an integrated global economy, and toxic pollution, and the whole ball of wax? A process of some sort unique in nature was unleashed 25-50,000 years ago. From that point on there was a tremendous push into symbolic expression and the cultural consequence of symbolic expression which is technology. And now, we've run the nut right off the end of the bolt, and the planet's finite limits are being reached. But the process shows no sign of slowing down. So rather than see it as some apocalypse or some terrible flaw of human fate run amok, I see it as a natural phenomenon. Human history is not our fault.
The world is getting weirder and weirder by leaps and bounds. It's moving faster and faster. It's very science fiction. You have potentially human life-extinguishing epidemic diseases, at the same time that you have whispers of cold fusion and journeys to the stars. Meanwhile people are meeting little rubbery beings in their bedrooms in the middle of the night, and having rectal examinations. All this crazy shit is going on which is called the melt-down of Western civilization at the end of the second millennium. Then if you toss psychedelic drugs into the mix, shamanic plants and this sort of thing, and make journeys out into the architectonic superspace of the culture, you quickly realize the cosmic egg is cracking.
http://deoxy.org/t_sunami.htm
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