[Pops]

Thanks Mr. Bill, I’ve enjoyed many of your posts as well, more stuff on grass farming if you are interested:
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic14556.html

[MrBill]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')hanks Mr. Bill, I’ve enjoyed many of your posts as well, more stuff on grass farming if you are interested:
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic14556.html

[SC_Dave]

I am new here. 1st post so if I have posted in the wrong section please advise.

I have a diesel pick-up and I am more that curious as to why diesel is so much higher that regular gas. In my area of South Carolina it is anywhere from 20 to 40 cent higher than regular.

Am I wrong in my thinking that diesel requires less refinining that regular gas?

Thanks in advance for your input.

David

[TommyJefferson]

Diesel has different seaonal price pressures than gasoline because it is also used as a home heating fuel.

I want to say it requires less refinement than gasoline, but I'm not sure.

[Aaron]

Not substantially different.

It all comes out of the same barrel of oil.

Basically they just heat up the oil, which then separates into layers.

These layers are the various products from oil... kerosene, diesel, gas etc...

There is some speculation that beyond a certain price difference between diesel & gasoline... the market is being manipulated.

[nwildmand]

welcome to peakoil.com dave. stick around and become enlightend.

the reason deisel is mor expensive is it is a major part of jet fuel. and we all know what major fuel hogs airliners are. it is all supply and demand. if we had another 911 and the planes stopped flying for a few days the price of fuel would drop dramaticaly and deisel would be the same price or just a nickel higher than super unleaded.

another reason (and im not sure on this one) is i believe there is less % of deisel in heavy sour crude than there is in light sweet. but im not sure if this is even effecting us now.

[Denny]

I found this editorial quite interesting today in the Times: The larger question it poses to me is why did it take a Japanese company to come up with an apparent solution to the objectionable emissions of diesels? While our North American companies seem to be monekying wiht impractical concepts, like E85 and hydrogen that require a new fuel infrastructure. I feel our companies are losing their edge. What's become of our inventiveness in North America?

A Better Diesel 4 Oct 2006
When Europeans think of diesel, they think of the very cars — small and smart — that half of them are driving now. When Americans think of diesel, they think of semis and buses and pickups and, perhaps, one of the lumbering Oldsmobiles that did so much in the 1980’s to poison the promise of diesel technology here. Europeans and Americans differ in almost nothing more than they differ in diesel, including different emissions standards and different fuel quality. But in the next few years, as the rules on air quality tighten, Americans need a diesel engine that can meet the stricter standards.

Diesel engines offer more torque and greater fuel efficiency than gasoline engines, and they emit less carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas. The drawback is that they also emit more particulate matter and nitrogen oxide, which contributes to smog. Honda recently unveiled a new engine that solves that problem, using a special catalytic converter that turns harmful nitrogen oxide into simple nitrogen. Honda plans to introduce this engine in the United States in 2009, which just might give us time to improve the poor quality fuel that keeps diesels here from being as clean and as popular as they could be.

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', ' ')The larger question it poses to me is why did it take a Japanese company to come up with an apparent solution to the objectionable emissions of diesels?

[canis_lupus]

Would like to see the Honda or Toyota version of the diesel Ford Expedition. I need big trucks that are not pickups. I think Honda or Toyota could excel here.

I'm buyin' too!

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', 'A')s soon as Honda gets a nice little turbo diesel into an accord sized car here in the States, I'm buyin.

[TommyJefferson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'w')hy did it take a Japanese company to come up with an apparent solution to the objectionable emissions of diesels? While our North American companies seem to be monekying wiht impractical concepts

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'w')hy did it take a Japanese company to come up with an apparent solution to the objectionable emissions of diesels? While our North American companies seem to be monekying wiht impractical concepts

[yesplease]

They aren't selling any 2007 models, of the Liberty I mean. Or the Jetta, etc... Because the insane NOx standards put into place by the EPA came into effect, and auto manufacturers can't bring in any new emissions devices until ~2008 because the entire country hasn't switched to USLD. In short it's goofy regulations, the EU has a much better setup regarding the whole deal.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'T')hey aren't selling any 2007 models, of the Liberty I mean. Or the Jetta, etc... Because the insane NOx standards put into place by the EPA came into effect, and auto manufacturers can't bring in any new emissions devices until ~2008 because the entire country hasn't switched to USLD. In short it's goofy regulations, the EU has a much better setup regarding the whole deal.

[yesplease]

Forget newer VWs, clean, low mileage VW Rabbit pickups with $200 WVO systems will sell for over $10k. Thats probably over twice the purchase price, and probably ten times their value in the ninties.

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'A')nd, as a result, my 06 Jetta TDI has yet to drop off appreciably on its blue book value, even with 13k miles.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '.')..I strongly believe in buying American, but as long as...

[Frank]

American Car

[Loki]

My state is getting set to adopt California emission standards in a couple years. A lobbyist for the auto dealers said that would effectively bar diesel passenger cars and trucks. A spokesperson for the DEQ responded that the 2009 diesel standards would take care of that. Any Californians with the skinny on whether passenger diesel cars and trucks are/will be allowed in California? The article I read said that newer VW diesels aren't allowed in California but may be after 2009. I'd like to get a diesel one of these days, but I'll never buy a new car. I'm worried now that the adoption of these new standards will effectively bar me from buying a used diesel.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'F')or all we know the "American" car could of been manufactured in Mexico while the "Japanese" car was made in America. Which car would you buy? I'm not trying to knock on you for your beliefs but if you think that buying American == more jobs for the good old USA...we'll you're mistaken.

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', ' ')My old Ford Ranger was made in the USA, but that was when dinosaurs still roamed the earth. Where they make them now I have no idea.