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Trader's Corner 2006

Discussions about the economic and financial ramifications of PEAK OIL

Where will the price of WTIC oil be on December 29, 2006?

Less than $50
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Around $55
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Around $60
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Around $65
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Around $70
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More than $80
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Total votes : 188

Re: Amaranth Losses trading energy..........

Unread postby MrBill » Mon 18 Sep 2006, 11:51:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheGiantWave', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')N 10:31 Amaranth Says Funds May Have Lost 35% on Natural Gas

Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Amaranth Advisors LLC, a hedge-fund
manager with $9.5 billion in assets, said last week's plunge in
natural-gas prices left its two main funds with year-to-date
losses that may exceed 35 percent.
``We are in discussions with our prime brokers and other
counterparties and are working to protect our investors while
meeting the obligations of our creditors,'' Nick Maounis, founder
of the Greenwich, Connecticut-based firm, said in a letter to
investors obtained by Bloomberg.
The decline came after the Amaranth funds had gained almost
30 percent through August. Gas prices fell 12.2 percent last week
as the U.S. Energy Department reported its first triple-digit
inventory increase in more than a year. Demand for the power-
plant fuel usually declines after summer air conditioner use
slows and before heating needs pick up.
Amaranth was ``near the end of our disposition of natural-
gas exposure,'' the letter said, adding that Amaranth had met
every margin call. Steve Bruce, a spokesman for Amaranth,
declined to comment.
The firm has an energy trading desk of more than 20 people.
Brian Hunter, who works in Calgary, Canada, is Amaranth's head
energy trader.
Maounis spun his firm off from Greenwich-based Paloma
Partners in 2000. A convertible-bond specialist who worked at
Paloma for 10 years, Maounis started Amaranth with 27 investment
professionals and about $450 million in assets. The firm's
initial strategies included trading convertible bonds and the
stocks of merging companies.


Source... Bloomberg


Oops, the hedge fund physical commodities connection was alwasy an accident waiting to happen as the physical traders get sorted out from the paper arbitragers. This makes number two now?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o matter if it's heating oil, cracks, or nat gas,
You've got to meet margin calls 'cause they always ask for cash
There's lots of shady characters, lots of dirty deals
Every funds in BVI in case somebody squeals
It's the lure of easy money, it's got a very strong appeal
Perhaps you'd understand it better
Standin' in my shoes
It's the ultimate enticement,
It's the commodities as an asset class blues
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Tue 19 Sep 2006, 04:20:20

Slowly, painfully building a bottom in the crude.

If we are in a 1.2.3.4.5 movement starting at $77.52 in the WTI on the continuation chart then we should have completed the 3 leg at $62.04 on Friday.

1 = $77.52 - 69.62
2 = $69.62 - 73.77
3 = $73.77 - 62.04

Therefore, I have a pullback as far as the bottom of the 1st leg at $69.62, but more likely short of that. The fibonacci numbers are

382R = $66.54
500R = $67.97
618R = $69.31

with the 618R being just shy of the $69.62 area that would ideally hold if we are in such a move.

4 = $62.04 - (66.54-69.31) upwards correction
5 = $(66.54-69.31) - <62.04 taking out previous low

However, if we were in an A.B.C correction downwards from the high at $77.52 then we should have also seen the C low on Friday at $62.04, and should also expect a pullback towards a minimum of $66.54. From here it does not make much difference. The next leg should be up. I had my doubts yesterday when NY smacked it again, but the lows held and we finished higher. However, a breach at this point negates the count and we go back to square one.

At this point I took advantage of the weakness to load up on some more stocks like Sunoco and Schlumberger to add to my refiners and oil service companies. Again with the rationale that we may not see new highs anymore, but prices are high enough to generate industry profits, and aging infrastructure still has to be serviced to ensure production. I look at them as real options on the price of oil.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby Doly » Tue 19 Sep 2006, 04:38:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'T')he fibonacci numbers are...


What does Fibonnacci have to do with oil prices? It sounds suspiciously like numerology to me, but I'm willing to listen if there is some explanation for it.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby Concerned » Tue 19 Sep 2006, 05:50:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'T')he fibonacci numbers are...


What does Fibonnacci have to do with oil prices? It sounds suspiciously like numerology to me, but I'm willing to listen if there is some explanation for it.


It's one number pattern in technical analysis that can be used to make predictions about future moves in the market.l
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Tue 19 Sep 2006, 05:59:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'T')he fibonacci numbers are...


What does Fibonnacci have to do with oil prices? It sounds suspiciously like numerology to me, but I'm willing to listen if there is some explanation for it.


Fibonnacci numbers are very central to Elliot Wave Theory and other forms of technical analysis, and technical analysis along with fundamental analysis give you your entry and exit points when trading commodities, foreign exchange or other liquid assets.

In my opinion they work best for truly liquid markets with lots of buyers and sellers and less manipulation, so I prefer them for foreign exchange and commodities rather than for the stock market which I feel is an insider's game in any case.

I like to start my defense of technical analysis by saying that at every single price point there is a buyer and the seller. So at each major high or low there was a winner and a loser. When the price gets back to that point again, there will be one person who made money and one who didn't. The one who made money will be more likely to repeat his or her investment decision, while the one who lost money is more likely to do nothing or do the opposite the next time around. Therefore, each distinct price point creates a bias in underlying behavior, a directional bias, which is self-reinforcing.

Secondly, as we all watch the same market and see the same patterns, we all tend to focus on the same price points. This also creates a price bias. Previous high or previous low for example. If someone does technical analysis and distributes it as research, you also get many traders reading such research and also keying off those key prices. Another bias.

Fibonnacci numbers like 0.382, 0.500 and 0.618 are just natural corrections to directional moves. The market dropped 100 pts. which is a nice round number before some traders decided to take profit. It then corrected up about one-third or 0.382R before the underlying trend reasserted itself and down we went again.

They are however very hard to backtest. I have seen them too many times in 20-years to dismiss them, but they are a devil to prove. Why? Well, sometimes the market moves exactly to the 0.382R for example, and buyers and sellers emerge right at those points. Perhaps because they are also technical traders? But technical trading works best in a market in a news vacuum. It gives direction where there might otherwise be little information to trade off of. However, technical moves are usually trumped by either supply or demand fundamentals or headline events that force traders to move.

So the market pulls back, stops at the 0.382R, and then something else happens at or near that point in time. So when some skeptic backtests he or she finds no statistically significance, just random price action, and they assign it to numerology or trying to make sense out of random events.

However, put it this way. At every price point you have a 50% chance of making money. In order to make money consistantly you need to be a good money manager. You need to cut your losses and let your winnings accumulate. Part of that is knowing your entry and exit points, but also knowing when you are right and when you are wrong.

Say you have a major high or a major low. You have a resistance point and a support level. If they hold, it tells you they are still valid. If they break, it tells you they are no longer constraining the market and to expect a resumption of the underlying trend. It is automatic feedback so you can take your stop loss or add to your position.

If you use technical analysis along with all your other trading tools you can tilt the odds slightly in your favor if only by knowing where other traders have their buy and sell orders if they are also using fibs or other technical tools like channel analysis for example. Every little helps. It does not guarantee success. And that is why academics dislike technical analysis and dismiss it. Because it is an art and not a science.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby drew » Tue 19 Sep 2006, 16:45:14

Hey Mr Bill, very very tricky. I had to go get the wife and ask her what the hell you were doing. She has an enormous math brain. We ended up going to investpedia.com and it became all clear, sort of. Arcs, fans, trend lines....

I have some reading to do...

Fibonacci is also the name of a shadey turncoat on 'prison break' who the mob is trying to liquidate!

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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 03:02:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drew', 'H')ey Mr Bill, very very tricky. I had to go get the wife and ask her what the hell you were doing. She has an enormous math brain. We ended up going to investpedia.com and it became all clear, sort of. Arcs, fans, trend lines....

I have some reading to do...

Fibonacci is also the name of a shadey turncoat on 'prison break' who the mob is trying to liquidate!

Drew


I have a good book in front of me called Elliot Wave Principle, Applied to the Foreign Exchange Markets, by Robert Balan, who used to work at UBS Toronto, but I do not know where he is now? Well, in any case, it is a great primer. Practical and easy to read.

Pritchard, the High Priest of Elliot Wave, is a little too carried away with it. For me it is just 'another' tool like regression analysis. It works for a while and then it breaks down and you have to start looking for new patterns. Heck, just using 21-month moving averages would have made you rich over the past 4-5 years, but where do we go from here now that the uptrend has broken?

I am still looking for a reason for yesterday's sell-off in NY? Hmm? It is going to go ahead a make a monkey out of my wave count yesterday. Typical! ; - )
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby TheGiantWave » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 03:23:14

Was pretty one way yesterday on crude and I was also a little surprised by the action. Could be have been fallout from the Amaranth situation... plus we're running into the expiry on WTi and with it the and of the quarter.

Still feel we shoudl be near a base here.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 03:31:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheGiantWave', 'W')as pretty one way yesterday on crude and I was also a little surprised by the action. Could be have been fallout from the Amaranth situation... plus we're running into the expiry on WTi and with it the and of the quarter.

Still feel we shoudl be near a base here.


Ah yes, OCT WTI rolling off the board this week. Almost forgot even though I mentioned it last week. Thanks.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby cube » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 17:53:37

It looks like this bottom trend has ended. How do I know? Is this another one of cube's cracked crystal ball predictions? Nope...it's actually in the news:

Oil price very low, action needed: OPEC chief

no need to read the entire article, I think the first paragraph says enough
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')ABUJA (Reuters) - Oil prices are very low, harming investment in the industry and something needs to be done to steady the market, OPEC President Edmund Daukoru said on Tuesday.

reading between the lines: "something needs to be done to steady the market" == this downtrend is over

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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby truecougarblue » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 20:28:59

Am I dreaming, or did we just go 6 days without a post on "Trader's Corner"?

Methinks we financially inclined types have bigger concerns at the moment than peak oil. Credit bubble anyone?

BTW, I'm down but not out on my home builder shorts and about even on my miner longs. Stops are in.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 27 Sep 2006, 02:45:21

I cannot post and it really pisses me off. Sorry. Something keeps kicking me out and I just do not have the time to keep trying each time. Is it a bug in the webpage? Does anyone else have this problem?

Does it have something to do with dashes, commas, apostrophes or something? When I remove them all sometimes it works?
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 27 Sep 2006, 02:47:49

I do not disagree. ML and Deutsche Bank analysts also see this market rebounding to $65 between now and year end, which when you think of it is not much of a prediction. But in any case, I still think there are a lot of bulls in the commodity sphere that still need to have some sense smacked into them, so we will be still vulnerable going forward.

Based on my technical analysis that I double checked with a friend of mine in Germany last week he sees also a retracement direction $65, but short of $70, in the WTI and then perhaps a resumption of the move lower to $55 to 60 ahead of year end. Never the less, from a purely Elliot Wave pattern, he also shows WTI up to $85 a barrel, but no particular time frame.

Such an event would have to be presumably Iran linked. I doubt a hurricane could push us that high now given adequate inventories? A few news headlines that Asia is more than well supplied, and there is no pressing need to import more to America now that the economy looks like it is still slowing down heading into Q406, possible recession in 2007.

My prediction is choppy, range trading, with exaggerated moves in NY to try to catch the stops out. Will be very ugly so either carry a smal core position and try to range trade or stay on the sidelines. This is not the time left in the game to throw Hail Mary's and hope for the best. Another reason I prefer the oil service companies and refiners at these levels. They can still make money maintaining the infrastructure and at $60 a barrel the oil companies can well afford to pay them.

I do not like the noises out of Russia. It may not be another Yukos re nationalization brewing, but unsettling none the less with the states naked grab for stakes in Sakhalin against Shell, Total and Japanese oil companies on the back of flimsy environmental violations which in Russia is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500. They may or may not be legitimate, but bringing Gazprom in as a partner is surely not the answer either, unless your goal is to re-write the PSAs and take a bigger cut for the state. Ditto for elections in Equador a la resource nationalization like in Argentina, Bolivia and Venezuela.

At the end of the fur trade the Indians working for the Hudson's Bay Company were so desperate for cash that they tore open the tops off beaver colonies in the winter while the beaver slept to get more pelts without bothering to trap the animals. The result was a rapid decline in reproduction and a collapse of the market. As oil and other commodity prices begin to peak I would expect some very short-sighted behavior from governments that have grown accustomed to resource revenue to pay for their social programs, and had been budgeting with more not less money coming in over the next few years. However, their short-term actions can have very long-term implications if it affects exploration, speculative drilling, infrastructure projects and the like. After all that is one of the reasons we ended up short capacity in the first place. It's deja vu all over again.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby Doly » Wed 27 Sep 2006, 08:48:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'N')ever the less, from a purely Elliot Wave pattern, he also shows WTI up to $85 a barrel, but no particular time frame.


Elliot Wave is numerology. The fact that some investors use it only proves that predicting future stock prices is damn near impossible.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 27 Sep 2006, 09:35:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'N')ever the less, from a purely Elliot Wave pattern, he also shows WTI up to $85 a barrel, but no particular time frame.


Elliot Wave is numerology. The fact that some investors use it only proves that predicting future stock prices is damn near impossible.


These people would agree with you, Doly.
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However, I have already given my own defense of technical analysis. Looking back the patterns are unmistakable. It is only applying known patterns to unknown future events where the real guesswork, skill or art comes into play, and even then it is only to improve your trading odds, not to make predictions that will come true.

But then the same thing can easily be said about using regressions to the mean using historical data to predict future relationships between assets, or using option pricing models to predict the value of an asset in the future. We can do that very accurately based on the value of an underlying asset, the time value, the level of interest rates, the strike price, and the implied volatility, which is based again on historical volatility, but it is still only a probability of the future value of an asset based on known variables, and does not guarantee that is what that asset will be worth in three month's time.

But then again even the best fundamental research based on exhaustive supply and demand analysis is also nowhere perfect in making such predictions.

So I prefer to take a mixed bag approach, looking for historical patterns, and then taking measured bets that they will repeat themselves more often than not. Technical analysis helps me spot those patterns while giving me feedback when I am wrong.

If we are in an obvious Elliot Wave that is great, but usually like a Head and Shoulders pattern they are easier to see in hindsight than when you are actually in them (a head and shoulder looks a lot like a A.B.C pattern until the right shoulder corrects lower to the neckline, while an A.B.C pattern looks a lot like a 1.2.3.4.5 until after the 4 and 5 legs form).

But some take it to the extreme. Others refuse to accept anything that cannot be proved in the labratory through repetition. I do not know? I am learning how to hit a tennis ball with some decent topspin on it that keeps it in the court no matter how hard I hit it, but I could not explain to you the physics of how I do it? But if you hit hundreds of balls in a row you develop a feel or a sense for the whole exercise and it comes together perfectly even though every rally is different. Chaos theory?

I do not think you could describe energy markets as we have witnessed for the past several years by textbook efficient market theory either where all investors are informed and rational, but more through behavioral finance models that suggest more emotion and less than perfect information.

Technical analysis does a pretty decent job of identifying a trend as any simple moving average will demonstrate. Never the less from each distinctive point there is a 50/50 chance the price will go higher or lower. The Survivor Bias is based on managing to be right more often than not. Something that most Academics will never learn because they are affraid to get their hands dirty. They should play tennis more often! ; - )
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 27 Sep 2006, 10:52:02

Two important points about today's EIA/DOE inventory numbers

1 - supply UP
2 - demand UP

So the breakdown is

crude stocks -100K to 324.8 mio bbls
gasoline stocks +6.3 mio to 213.9 mio bbls
distillate stocks +2.6 mio to 151.3 mio bbls
heating oil stocks +2.1 mio to 63.4 mio bbls
refining runs -1.0% to 92.4%

crude imports +491K to 11.08 mbpd (3rd highest wkly ave)
product imports +367K to 3.7 mbpd

gasoline demand +3.8% to 9.38 mbpd
distillate demand +1.1% to 4.12 mbpd
total demand +2.4% to 20.90 mbpd


With Asia also well supplied, I doubt there is much fundamental news that can drag us higher, so maybe the OPEC PUT or perhaps the IRAN CALL, but all else looks like too little, too late? Oh sure, we could talk about the constructive technical picture, but then Doly would just ridicule us for indulging in numerology! ; - )
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby cube » Thu 28 Sep 2006, 01:51:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '.').. Oh sure, we could talk about the constructive technical picture, but then Doly would just ridicule us for indulging in numerology! ; - )
Don't worry MrBill if Doly hangs around here long enough he'll enventually be "converted".

I first rejected the idea of T.A. The idea was just "too weird" and it certainly wasn't part of my college education or was that "miseducation". :roll:

However what really won me over was the events of the stock market mania of the 90's and later the housing boom. Fundamental Analysis simply could not provide a satisfactory answer. For awhile it seemed as if all the basic rules of economics and common sense got tossed out the window (doesn't that always happen in the middle of a bubble?).....but when viewed under the lens of T.A. it all made perfect sense.

Anyways I'm not going to try and "defend" the validity of Technical Analysis...anybody who wants to learn more can swing on by to the book store or they can just let it go and reject it.

getting back on topic:
wow what a difference a week makes! Last week it was not uncommon for the "mainstream" financial news media to confidently claim that the bull market in commodities was officially over. I suppose losing $5 Billion in a week will make you famous within the hedge fund community.

Now with crude stubbornly refusing to stay below $60 even with a bearish inventory report it seems the naysayers have a change of heart.

One of these days if I ever create my own hedge fund company I'll give it a neat name like
Short Term Capital Management
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Thu 28 Sep 2006, 02:51:11

The problem with technical analysis is that the academics want you to lay-out your rules ahead of time, and then they want to backtest it against the data. However, technical analysis does not work that way. A support line or retracement point is only valid until it breaks. It is like a judo match where each opponent must outline all their moves ahead of the match and then the judges determine who would have won? It just does not work like that. It is a give and take based on new information - fundamental, technical and headline driven.

Yesterday we touched a very strong support line in the WTI on the daily, weekly, monthly chart that goes all the way back to the start of this bull rally. A very important channel that has held so many times it is not even funny. But eventually it will break. It always does. Does that invalid the technical signal it has provided all this time? Not in my opinion. Once it does break and we close below it then it will also convey valuable information as well. It could validate the end of the bull rally or a deeper correction to $58.00 (0.382R). I find that useful.

I am not sure why we rallied off yesterday's lows after those bearish inventory numbers? I have not seen any headlines, yet. Could have been technical buying or someone defending an options position at the $60 level in the WTI? We are above the 13-day moving average at the moment at $62.35. The next objective would then be the $64.55 21-day moving average that provided resistance on the way down. I think too early to call for a reversal, but given my exposure in the equities I would not mind a significant rally back towards $64.50-65? In any case take care and good luck. Cheers.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 04:45:04

Heading into the weekend we are balancing well-supplied markets, some headlines talk about gluts, versus a commitment from some OPEC members to manage supply downwards by 5% starting with Nigeria. Who in any case were having trouble fulfilling their commitments due to problems in the Niger Delta.

But interesting enough for me are the open positions of the commercial versus large and small speculative traders. Given even money, I would sooner follow the commercial traders who have access to pipes and storage and can play in the physical as well as the paper market.

According to the COTS commitment of traders the open futures positions are

Crude - the commercials coming back to square from short during the steep 20% move lower that killed many a speculative trader and long only hedge fund.

Heating Oil - not only covered their shorts, but now actively going long ahead of the winter heating season. Despite healthy builds in the distillate and heating oil stocks.

Unleaded - the commercials have covered their shorts and are now square. I do not read much into this given the change over in standards this year and the phase out of HU by year-end. Never the less, $1.50 looks a lot cheaper than $2.00 because it is, and also because demand is still a rip roaring +3.8% higher than last year despite those higher prices that we have seen.

Natural Gas - the commercials are still short and we all know what has happened to the long hedge funds. Smacked upside the head to the tune of $5 billion plus in one month. Obviously, the mild weather and quiet Gulf hurricane season do not have the commercials worried enough, yet, to cover those short positions.

The USD basket of currencies is pretty much flat indicating a reduced anxiety of a weaker dollar and higher inflation. Although the Swiss franc is well supported by the commercials (whoever they may be? dunno?). Supporting this benign view are the commercials who are short gold and silver as well.

However, their view on the real economy is not so bleak as one might expect given they are long copper (a proxy for Asian growth?), and in the softs they are long corn, soybeans and wheat. I would not read too much into that one. I think the 'commodities as an asset class' will turn out to be a dud with hedge fund redemptions starting at the beginning of Q406 and Q1 2007, so of course less money coming into the asset class on whole.

But the agriculturals do at least point to stable, upward demand and therefore higher prices for growers. That is not only good for US farmers and exporters like Brazil, but also a very good sign for India, who's economy may be synonymous with offshoring white collar jobs, but at its very roots is still agriculturally based, and therefore very reliant on good weather and high prices for domestic demand and growth.

Here is the link for the COTS charts if you do not already have it.

COTS Charts


According to VectorVest Stock Analysis, and they seem to be very bullish on many stocks, so take it with a grain of salt, the refiners and oil service companies are undervalued at current levels. You can check out some investor research by visiting their webpage and picking up some free reports. Just type in some tickers like COP, HAL, SLB, SUN, etc. and you will see they are still predicting some higher valuations. But as I said, they are bullish quite a few stocks, so perhaps an extra degree of caution is needed to make sure that they are not just sellside cheerleaders looking to peddle feel good research.

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On the back of the OPEC news, I am tempted to play it from the longside heading into the weekend. I have a positive signal on the daily chart, but well below yesterday's highs on the hourly. And on the weekly chart we are still in a downward correction that may have bottomed on Wednesday, but it is too early to say for sure? Net/net that behooves me to be a cautious long without much conviction, and therefore subject to the vagaries of the NY market that could just as soon rat me out of my position and close higher afterwards? A tough decision without any confirmation or converging trends.

In any case, have a nice weekend and speak to you next week. Cheers.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Unread postby MrBill » Tue 03 Oct 2006, 03:13:10

As somewhat predicted, if not clearly enough articulated on my part, the start of Q406 did indeed start with some light fund selling, which in my opinion indicates a slight outflow from the asset class going into year-end. Not a stampede, but if upwards momentum is not recaptured or at least a strong close to the year, those investors who were too slow to react in time or are behind the curve may use the start of 2007 to close oil related fund positions.

Goldie Sachs reports strong demand from Europe, but their story is not wholly convincing. More like trying to keep the rally alive? Deutsche Bank's oil ETF closed lower in Q306 which has to be disappointing to investors and poor timing for DB as well.

Therefore, this is not a positive harbinger in the short-term and with adequately supplied domestic and Asian markets the case for a gradual decline sub-$60 is more than likely in the absense of headline events directly related to either further concerted OPEC cuts and/or fresh Iran sanctions that are not in my opinion widely supported or likely.
But don't take my opinion. Here it is from the horse's mouth...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') THREE MARKET CHOICES IN CRUDE OIL

Sunday, October 01, 2006 - FreeMarketNews.com

There are three choices for the market in crude oil after its recent steep falls. It can stay roughly around where it is now, $62. It can fall back down through the technical and software barriers that support it to new year lows or it can go higher once more. Perhaps very high. It all depends who, or what, you believe.

-Resource Investor STAY INFORMED – FREE DAILY eWIRE NEWSBRIEFS

So in otherwords, the market may go up, down or sideways! Now that is news!! Maybe that should read from the horse's rump instead? ; - )

p.s. I am not sure what a software barrier is, but I am sure it has something to do with technical support if not IT support?
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