[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NiKfUrY69', 'D')id we ever come up with a way to bring the troops home?
Later - NiK

[NiKfUrY69]

I concede the need for access to oil.

And I know, we (Americans) would rather have some of our own die for the priveledge of driving our fat asses around in an SUV., rather than devise an alternative. Pick one; ethanol, nuclear, conservation, cold fusion in a sock, blah.

But I for one don't want my kids dying for such crap. If its that important to you - you go or send your family.

Kinda like the spread of "democracy" in Viet Nam thing - oooo big win there.

NiK

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NiKfUrY69', 'B')ut I for one don't want my kids dying for such crap. If its that important to you - you go or send your family.

[NiKfUrY69]

I understand.

My daughter is already at Ft. Hood, sgt/MPs/Army, married for under two years now, thinking about kids. Yeah in spite of my opinion of women in the service. But I was there for the graduation ceremonies, all puffed up as it were.

They do as they wish - I stated my wishes only and from the advantage of a historical perspective.

I have problems with this country seeing global domination as the sole means to support it energy fix, blood and guts for oil.

Geez, aren't we smarter than this? Apparently not, but neither are the Chinese, Indians, Russians or the rest. So much for the "who has more engineers" statistics.

NiK - USMC '75-'79

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NiKfUrY69', 'G')eez, aren't we smarter than this? Apparently not, but neither are the Chinese, Indians, Russians or the rest. So much for the "who has more engineers" statistics.

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', 'A')nd it's now becomming evident (obvious actually) that Saddam
was much more adept at holding the many factions in Iraq
together than the US will ever be.

[Mesuge]

Al-Zarqawi is indeed a strange person and his background is questionable as to whether he was a genuine terrorist. Check out the writings of british top journalist Robert Fisk/The Independent, who covered a lot of similar conflicts from Algeria to Iraq where "sectarian violence" was actually fueled by gov. death squads. And that's exactly what is going on in Iraq nowadays.
He discovered some interesting facts abou the legend of Al-Zarqawi..

The story about false flag operation carried by british commando dressed like arabs and planting explosives in southern Iraq was in mainstream press, go figure.. That's how majority of the mosques is being blown up overthere..

The war on terror is a disgusting bogus..

In fact a straightforward approach by western governments to address its public would be much more effective in the long run. People are selfish and greedy bastards so if Tony or W. would announce that the mission is to curb the ME/west asian population and get the oil in the end majority in the west would support it as utilitarian and sound plan. I can see the ads, support our military for your new SUV etc..

But all those continuous false flags and terror alerts are annoying, frankly insulting our inteligence after while - it's like a bad movie over and over again..

My suspicion is that the best forthcomming whistleblowers (and there are some already) from the UK/US services are going to be the top profi folks just tired of doing the same silly game again and again..

[SoothSayer]

I wonder if this (mutilation of two soldiers) was another one of those inside jobs; like the nick berg beheadings and the british agents dressed up like terrorists and causing problems who were caught by the Iraqi government and then set free by tank point. I also wonder if the major shrine bombing was instigated by agents too. Also, was al-Zarqawi a US Agent Provocateur?

When I read such drivel I sometimes wonder if the Internet is connected to an alternate universe where common sense and truth are reverse wired.



There can be no other explanation.

Madmen are blowing up skyscrapers, shops, trains, buses across the world ...and it is of course UK & US special agents who are REALLY doing it!

This is simply juvenile deranged nonsense, and those pushing this stuff should get out more.

A few hours away from Mom & Pop and the keyboard could help. How about a picnic by a lake or at a beach?

[Mesuge]

SoothSayer> It's hard to find energy to respond to your ad hominem childish attacks.

But for the record, the story incl. video/pictures about british spec op running around Basra with explosives while dressed like arabs was delivered by your own UK mainstream media so please try your cheap tricks somewhere else, will you?

[SoothSayer]

I remember it now : some moronic soldiers doing intelligence gathering - and possibly some wrist smacking - got caught out.

So a few morons being caught doing their Special Services job (badly) makes 911 a US or UK plot?

Or does it make al-Zarqawi a US agent?

I think not.

I am beginning to get seriously worried about the state of the US population .. many Americans seem so ready to believe any half-baked story, as long as it indites their own government.

Finally, any post which includes the phrase "false flag" rings my alarm bells immediately ... it's the sign of a VERY bad CTI (Conspiracy Theory Infection).

[Mesuge]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', 'I') remember it now : some moronic soldiers doing intelligence gathering - and possibly some wrist smacking - got caught out.

So a few morons being caught doing their Special Services job (badly) makes 911 a US or UK plot?

[SoothSayer]

Well, if you call running around with kgs of explosives "doing intelligence gathering" near the area where mosques are just being blown up we have some tiny little progress with you..

Despite all the rhetoric about bombs etc the only photographic evidence I could find was here.



Maybe I am naive, but this looks like what I would expect for an SAS patrol. No bombs, no crates of C4.

However if you can find photos showing the purported booby trapped car then I would be most pleased.

Also, you didn't respond to my my serious questions: do you REALLY think that al-Zarqawi is a US agent?

[Mesuge]

The news mentioned explicitely explosives in their possession. I do remember their arab outfits on the video and those pitty guys who had to be "rescued" by british tank assault on friendly Iraqi police station..

al-Zarqawi> well I just mentioned there are serious questions being raised about his legend by credible journalist working in Iraq like Fisk. Very few journalist go outside the green zone these days, and the Iraqi press is largely PR machine for the government or written directly from the US..

And if you go into the details and history records how false flags and covert operations are carried out it's not like Mr. CIA goes in the morning from his appartment to work, hops on the plane and kills some bad guys..

In reality, it's more about pushing local factions one against the other, funding and arming both of them and just controlling the situation by giving leverage to one particular side in the best moment etc..

So, in Iraqi theatre you need only a few innitial false flags, and than just steer the tide as the genuine local warriors go each after another..

These methods are all well documented by own CIA archive available on the net for the older cases like US/UK false flags and terror done in Iran during 50s etc. Newer stuff sometimes gets out thanks to legal action under FOIA requests..

This is not ment to be an US/UK rant, almost all occupying and influence seeking nations are utilizing similar tactics. What I found insulting is just this democracy spreading/terror media campaign which is very silly. And as specifically designed for US domestic audience plain stupid that's why the majority of the world public don't buy it anymore.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')align=center]Outlawed

Extraordinary Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "War on Terror" [/align]Human rights groups and several public inquiries in Europe have found the U.S. government, with the complicity of numerous governments worldwide, to be engaged in the illegal practice of extraordinary rendition, secret detention, and torture.

The U.S. government-sponsored program of renditions is an unlawful practice in which numerous persons have been illegally detained and secretly flown to third countries, where they have suffered additional human rights abuses including torture and enforced disappearance. No one knows the exact number of persons affected, due to the secrecy under which the operations are carried out.

[Gridlock]

"They have no regard for life, neither ours nor their own. I believe this was not an act of desperation, but an <b>act of asymmetrical warfare waged against us.</b>"

Admiral Harris, Guantanamo

[The_Toecutter]

Every time the U.S. violates an international treaty it has agreed to adhere to, it violates Article VI Clause II of the U.S. Constitution, and all of those ordering or allowing such violations in defiance of the oath of affirmation they took are blatantly committing treason.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'N')o one knows the exact number of persons affected, due to the secrecy under which the operations are carried out.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'E')very time the U.S. violates an international treaty it has agreed to adhere to, it violates Article VI Clause II of the U.S. Constitution, and all of those ordering or allowing such violations in defiance of the oath of affirmation they took are blatantly committing treason.

[PenultimateManStanding]

As I said in another thread, I'm getting weary. The world is so out of whack. It's crazy. Dylan's new album is nice. Ironic title, "Modern Times" I hope we don't run out of oil too soon. It'll be a bad scene. Bad for me and bad for my loved ones.

[seahorse]

I'm curious about the Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian, Iranian, Saudi Arabian legal systems and any human rights abuses there. Are we going to investigate them Miki? Let me guess, America is behind the Islamic religious courts. Did Osama sign the Geneva convention? Do they cut heads off with knives? Do they use schools, mosques etc. to hide weapons? Do they bomb civilians? I think we need an investigation.

I want Miki to do a little experiment. Go to Saudi Arabia, and post something on the internet against the Saudi family, and say something bad about Muslims, say they are a bunch of war mongers. See what happens. In fact, go out of the street with a loud speaker and start calling Muslims and bunch of war mongers. Then, post on here and tell us what happens. Then, go any place in the United States you want to, and do the same thing, but say that Christians, Georgy boy, whoever, are a bunch of war mongers and see what happens. Post it here. Then, we can use that evidence to decide who respects opinions and human rights. Its the ultimate test. Come to the great satan, test us, and then go to Mecca, the great Mesiah, and test it there.