Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

THE Gulf of Mexico Oil Thread (merged)

General discussions of the systemic, societal and civilisational effects of depletion.

Re: Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico

Postby rockdoc123 » Wed 05 Jul 2006, 15:26:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he blue line is the number of rigs. The green and purple lines are two different estimates of Saudi production. Rig count is going through the roof. Production is not.


Give them a chance....I am honestly surprised that some people think you just drill a well and bang the production is on stream the next day and reported the next week. It doesn't happen that way. In new field exploration a three year turn around between discovery and first oil is considered to be a great achievement....if you are in West Africa 8 years would be considered a great achievement based on recent results. You also have to consider what those rigs are being used for....infill drilling? sidetracks from old producers? This would show up as eliminating field decline or at least slowing it, not necessarily adding new production. I think the Saudis have stated their plans fairly specifically as to how and when new production capacity is being added (above and beyond depletion according to them). With 300,000 bopd suppossedly being on stream from Haradh III by year end I would guess you might not see any increase in overall production until late in 2006. Hopefully we'll be able to sort out the decline due to decrease in heavy demand (which they say will improve in the 3rd qtr) by that time. Note also that they are already starting on drilling wells for future production that is not anticipated to come on stream until 2009 (Khurais). I think a bit of patience is needed before you can start screaming "simmons told you so".
User avatar
rockdoc123
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 7685
Joined: Mon 16 May 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico

Postby NEOPO » Wed 05 Jul 2006, 20:24:21

Soothsayer - hilarious - comedy interwined with tragedy is my favorite.................. endangered species they are.

Maybe we will use the steel to build some windmills post peak.

Why do I get the urge to cheerlead for simmons? as he certainly does not need my help.

Someone should write their own book and maybe we will read it.
User avatar
NEOPO
Permanently Banned
 
Posts: 3588
Joined: Sun 15 May 2005, 03:00:00
Location: THE MATRIX

Re: Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico

Postby NeoPeasant » Thu 06 Jul 2006, 00:24:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he blue line is the number of rigs. The green and purple lines are two different estimates of Saudi production. Rig count is going through the roof. Production is not.


Give them a chance....I am honestly surprised that some people think you just drill a well and bang the production is on stream the next day and reported the next week. It doesn't happen that way. In new field exploration a three year turn around between discovery and first oil is considered to be a great achievement....if you are in West Africa 8 years would be considered a great achievement based on recent results. You also have to consider what those rigs are being used for....infill drilling? sidetracks from old producers? This would show up as eliminating field decline or at least slowing it, not necessarily adding new production. I think the Saudis have stated their plans fairly specifically as to how and when new production capacity is being added (above and beyond depletion according to them). With 300,000 bopd suppossedly being on stream from Haradh III by year end I would guess you might not see any increase in overall production until late in 2006. Hopefully we'll be able to sort out the decline due to decrease in heavy demand (which they say will improve in the 3rd qtr) by that time. Note also that they are already starting on drilling wells for future production that is not anticipated to come on stream until 2009 (Khurais). I think a bit of patience is needed before you can start screaming "simmons told you so".


That was my first thought. Doesn't production lag the deployment of the rigs for many months? If the production curve doesn't mirror the rig count after several months then we should worry.
The battle to preserve our lifestyle has already been lost. The battle to preserve our lives is just beginning.
NeoPeasant
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1003
Joined: Tue 12 Oct 2004, 03:00:00

Re: Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico

Postby shortonoil » Thu 06 Jul 2006, 12:31:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat was my first thought. Doesn't production lag the deployment of the rigs for many months? If the production curve doesn't mirror the rig count after several months then we should worry.



Although, all those rigs leaving the US may be getting ready to increase SA’s production in the near future, they will not be getting ready to increase production in the US by drill off the recently opened continental shelve. Now, if (a GREAT BIG if) SA’s production is going to increase, I wonder who will be beneficiary of all that new oil.

Yes, we should wait a while before we start worrying.

Don’t worry, be happy!


"Earth is an insane asylum, to which the other planets deport their
lunatics."
--Voltaire(Memnon the Philosopher).
User avatar
shortonoil
False ETP Prophet
False ETP Prophet
 
Posts: 7132
Joined: Thu 02 Dec 2004, 04:00:00
Location: VA USA

Re: Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico

Postby Zardoz » Thu 06 Jul 2006, 17:28:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', 'N')o panic - they are simply making their way to the oil rig breeding grounds in Cromarty.


SS, you may want to get your mind off this Peak Oil stuff for a while. It appears to be getting to you a tad bit...
"Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
User avatar
Zardoz
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6323
Joined: Fri 02 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Top

Re: Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico

Postby Eddie_lomax » Thu 06 Jul 2006, 18:40:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'Y')up. TOD had an article article about it recently.

In particular, check out this graph. The blue line is the number of rigs. The green and purple lines are two different estimates of Saudi production. Rig count is going through the roof. Production is not.


Wow great graph, they are in trouble I'm starting to doubt they can keep production flat for 2-3 years now.

And those rigs are not drilling old fashioned vertical wells either, factor in the 100-200X reserviour contact that MRC wells give and thats a lot of drilling for not a lot of results yet.
Eddie_lomax
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 185
Joined: Sun 04 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: UK (Kent)
Top

Re: Oil rigs are leaving the Gulf of Mexico

Postby SoothSayer » Fri 07 Jul 2006, 03:27:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', 'N')o panic - they are simply making their way to the oil rig breeding grounds in Cromarty.


SS, you may want to get your mind off this Peak Oil stuff for a while. It appears to be getting to you a tad bit...


Just a bit of British humour Zardoz :)

This place can get too serious sometimes! :-x

I however can switch back into 100% serious mode if you want ... :(
Technology will save us!
User avatar
SoothSayer
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1167
Joined: Thu 02 Mar 2006, 04:00:00
Location: England
Top

Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Postby DantesPeak » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 07:02:33

Image

In the central part of the Gulf of Mexico, in very deep water, oil companies have announced a major discovery today of oil deep inside the earth.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')hevron-led group may find top U.S. oil source

Completes test to 28,175 feet in a well 270 miles offshore New Orleans

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- Chevron Corp. said a production team it leads made the deepest successful well test in the Gulf of Mexico, potentially unearthing a reservoir of oil that could make it the top domestic source.

Chevron said Tuesday that it successfully drilled at the Jack #2 well at Walker Ridge Block 758 to a total depth of 28,175 feet, with more than 20,000 feet of that below the sea floor.

The well, 270 miles southwest of New Orleans, sustained a flow rate of more than 6,000 barrels of crude oil per day, the company said.
Chevron and its co-owners plan to drill an additional appraisal well in 2007.


DJ Market Watch

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n Gulf of Mexico, Industry Closes In On New Oil Source
Chevron, Partners Penetrate Miles of Water, Ancient Rock; Test of Commercial Potential
By RUSSELL GOLD
September 5, 2006; Page A1

The oil industry is on the verge of cracking open a deep-water region in the Gulf of Mexico that could become the nation's biggest new domestic source of oil since the discovery of Alaska's North Slope more than a generation ago.

Chevron Corp. and partners Devon Energy Corp. and Statoil ASA announced today the first successful oil production from the region, a 300-mile-wide swath of the Gulf that lies below miles of water and deep within a bed of ancient rocks geologists call the lower tertiary. The company said the well sustained a flow rate of more than 6,000 barrels of crude oil a day during the production test.

The test paves the way for the development of the three partners' Jack field, located 270 miles southwest of New Orleans, and ultimately for dozens of comparable discoveries under federal lease to companies.


Wall Street Journal
User avatar
DantesPeak
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6277
Joined: Sat 23 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Location: New Jersey
Top

Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Postby evilgenius » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 07:24:48

I was watching CNBC this am and found out. Initial estimates are 3 billion barrels. That figure could go as high as 15 billion. There are many logistical problems with pipelines and refinery locations. Nine years to develop. So, by then Prudhoe Bay will be tapped out, almost, I guess?

Immediately the business guys became incredulous about peak oil. They said they ought to have that "Twilight in the Desert" guy back on and see what he says.
User avatar
evilgenius
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3730
Joined: Tue 06 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Stopped at the Border.

Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Postby KevO » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 07:57:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', '
')Immediately the business guys became incredulous about peak oil. They said they ought to have that "Twilight in the Desert" guy back on and see what he says.


It's a fair point

.
KevO
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2775
Joined: Tue 24 May 2005, 03:00:00
Location: CT USA
Top

Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Postby eXpat » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 08:07:13

Is good that the business guys became instantly incredulous about peak oil (from a purely selfish perspective, from a global one the damage to nature will increase, but there's not too much I can do about that) . That buy us more time to prepare for the future. The of course in due time the crash will be harder...
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw

You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” Ayn Rand
User avatar
eXpat
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3801
Joined: Thu 08 Jun 2006, 03:00:00

Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Postby Doly » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 08:20:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'I')s good that the business guys became instantly incredulous about peak oil (from a purely selfish perspective, from a global one the damage to nature will increase, but there's not too much I can do about that) . That buy us more time to prepare for the future. The of course in due time the crash will be harder...


Classic mistake. Wrong way of thinking. We don't need time to prepare, we need as much infrastructure as possible in place as soon as possible. Do you really think you'll be able to survive on your own while everything around you is falling? The more people around you manage, the better chances for yourself.
User avatar
Doly
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 4370
Joined: Fri 03 Dec 2004, 04:00:00
Top

Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Postby DantesPeak » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 08:22:06

Image
BP oil drilling rig in Gulf of Mexico

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il companies say promising tests suggest significant Gulf of Mexico find
The Associated Press
Published: September 5, 2006

Tests of a deep and challenging offshore well in the Gulf of Mexico indicate a significant oil discovery, the partners in the field announced Tuesday.

The Jack 2 well was drilled by U.S. oil giant Chevron Corp., with partners Statoil ASA of Norway and Devon Energy Corp. of Oklahoma.

"Test results are very encouraging and may indicate a significant discovery. The full magnitude of the field's potential is still being defined," Statoil said in a statement.


Intrenational Herald Tribune

I haven't seen any news reports yet about how energy companies will deal with hurricanes in that area with 170 MPH winds. Does anyone think the technology will be available to stand up to these hurricane forces?
User avatar
DantesPeak
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6277
Joined: Sat 23 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Location: New Jersey
Top

Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Postby Eli » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 08:48:00

This gets at the heart of one of the great misunderstandings of PO that is lost on the talking head types.

There very well may be a ton of oil two miles below the Gulf of Mexico but it is not going to be cheap.

Peak Oil is not the end of oil just the end of cheap oil.
User avatar
Eli
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3709
Joined: Sat 18 Jun 2005, 03:00:00
Location: In a van down by the river

Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Postby Starvid » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 09:05:59

Well, the media frames this in a stupid way, but that is only to be expected. They recently found the biggest oil field ever in the Baltic and the media gushed that it could fill Swedish demand for a year. What they didn't mention was that it would fill global demand for only 30 hours.

If the this field is 15 billion barrels it's the biggest find in like 15-20 years, bigger than the 10 billion barrel Kashgan field in Kazaksthan which was found in the early 90's.

Biggest find in 20 years. Enough to sustain 6 months of global consumption. We must find two fields like this every year to keep up with depletion and then put them into production to keep up with production declines in other fields. And then we need another two fields like this next year. And the year after that. And after that. And the year after that, and this must continue for as long as we want to maintain our current oil consumption. If we want to increase consumption we must find new oil even faster.

But still, 15 billion barrels, yeah! We'll need every drop.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
But if the field is only 3 billion barrels, that's only 35 days of global consumption.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

By the way, I spoke withe the chairman of ASPO yesterday. He said the succes of deep offshore is what will shape the peak and decide the exact year of peak production.
Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
User avatar
Starvid
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3021
Joined: Sun 20 Feb 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Uppsala, Sweden

Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Postby Micki » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 09:10:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eak Oil is not the end of oil just the end of cheap oil.


It is neither.
Peak refers to maximum extraction rate.
It is possible (just one scenario) that peak is reached and recession in economy drives oil prices down. In a depression, this could be long lasting and have significant downside impact on oil price.
The confirmation that PO was hit will then occur when economy picks up again and expects oil extraction to increase with increasing demand and it is realised that same amount of annual extraction no longer is feasible.

If economics don't play in, PO is however believed to co-inside with the time half of the worlds oil is extracted. The remaining half is then harder and more expensive to extract and refine.
Micki
 
Top

Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Postby mekrob » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 09:27:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is possible (just one scenario) that peak is reached and recession in economy drives oil prices down. In a depression, this could be long lasting and have significant downside impact on oil price.


Actually, that's wrong. One defines 'cheap' as a relative term. In a recession or depression, prices must fall from a good bit to a hell of a lot to stay in the same range of effect on the consumers' wallets. If your income drops 50%, then you would need oil to drop 50% in the same amount of time for the oil to still retain its "cheapness". But as it peaks, even in a depression, the price would still go up, thus losing its cheapness.
I want to put out the fires of Hell, and burn down the rewards of Paradise. They block the way to God. I do not want to worship from fear of punishment or for the promise of reward, but simply for the love of God. - Rabia
mekrob
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2408
Joined: Fri 09 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Top

Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Postby Fergus » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 09:47:55

So is this Mexican oil or US oil? I did not see where any country claims it or it lays in anybodies terrirorial waters.

So who owns this oil?
User avatar
Fergus
Coal
Coal
 
Posts: 401
Joined: Tue 13 Jun 2006, 03:00:00

Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Postby mjdlight » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 11:09:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', '
')
So who owns this oil?


Chevron and their two minor partners.
User avatar
mjdlight
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 67
Joined: Wed 22 Feb 2006, 04:00:00
Top

Re: Large Deep Oil Discovery in the Gulf of Mexico

Postby 50mpgVWTDI » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 12:31:27

Yes - it is a huge find. But

--35 days of global consumption

-- Barely one-half of one percent of daily consumption (400,000/85 million BPD)

I am still buying Canadian oil sands companies.


Best,
User avatar
50mpgVWTDI
Wood
Wood
 
Posts: 11
Joined: Tue 14 Jun 2005, 03:00:00

PreviousNext

Return to Peak Oil Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron