The words "Peak Oil" and "Running Out" were used during the trailer for this forthcoming program.
4 part series, starts Monday 9am (UK time) link
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BBC Radio 4 series: "Driven By Oil"
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BBC Radio 4 series: "Driven By Oil"
by FishAreBest » Wed 30 Aug 2006, 03:16:41
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Re: BBC Radio 4 series - Driven By Oil
by rogerhb » Wed 30 Aug 2006, 04:02:29
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FishAreBest', 'T')he words "Peak Oil" and "Running Out" were used during the trailer for this forthcoming program.
.. and "we're Expletive deleted.'? Actually when in the UK my radio is superglued to Radio 4.James Howard Kunstler was on Campbell Live last night. We're doomed, Capt Mainwaring, we're doomed!!
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Re: BBC Radio 4 series - Driven By Oil
by Cran » Wed 30 Aug 2006, 10:23:09
DON'T P A N I C !!! DON'T P A N I C !!! 
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Re: BBC Radio 4 series - Driven By Oil
by venky » Wed 30 Aug 2006, 21:38:48
There have been a few rather doomerish Peak Oil programs in the media recently; there was the one the other day on the Australian 60 minutes.
Actually more than Peak Oil what I am worried about is the possible panic of the masses.
KEEP CALM, DONT PANIC.............WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST........
Actually more than Peak Oil what I am worried about is the possible panic of the masses.
KEEP CALM, DONT PANIC.............WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST........
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Re: BBC Radio 4 series - Driven By Oil
by AirlinePilot » Thu 31 Aug 2006, 02:31:51
In that Australian piece (which I thought was quite good) the girl kept using the words running out of oil. She said it too much and didnt spend enough time on the real theory of PO. I'm really getting tired of folks talking about running out. It puts a "whacko" light on the whole thing. Most viewers then switch thier brains into entertainment mode and lose the real message that needs to be spread.
I mean really, who on this planet thinks we are going to run out of oil anytime soon???
We will pay too much and there won't be enough to go around, but its doubtful we run out for quite some time.
I mean really, who on this planet thinks we are going to run out of oil anytime soon???
We will pay too much and there won't be enough to go around, but its doubtful we run out for quite some time.
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Re: BBC Radio 4 series - Driven By Oil
by Free » Thu 31 Aug 2006, 08:33:56
I am honestly not concerned about a panic.
People won't panic because they don't want to panic, and since PO for the most part of it isn't something which is as apparent as let's say a fire in a theatre, and since we have enough indication that Joe Sixpack doesn't get it even if you hit him on the forehead with the facts...
People will be pissed about higher energy prices, there will be a lot of scapegoating and demands for action, but panic, I don't think so...
People won't panic because they don't want to panic, and since PO for the most part of it isn't something which is as apparent as let's say a fire in a theatre, and since we have enough indication that Joe Sixpack doesn't get it even if you hit him on the forehead with the facts...
People will be pissed about higher energy prices, there will be a lot of scapegoating and demands for action, but panic, I don't think so...
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Re: BBC Radio 4 series - Driven By Oil
by rogerhb » Thu 31 Aug 2006, 17:05:01
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'P')eople will be pissed about higher energy prices, there will be a lot of scapegoating and demands for action, but panic, I don't think so...
I know it was not cause by PO but would "New Orleans" count as panic? If so you have the capability....
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Re: BBC Radio 4 series - Driven By Oil
by Gazzatrone » Mon 04 Sep 2006, 06:04:20
Before I continue here is the widely acepted definition of PANIC
pan·ic Pronunciation (pnk)
n.
1. A sudden, overpowering terror, often affecting many people at once. See Synonyms at fear.
2. A sudden widespread alarm concerning finances, often resulting in a rush to sell property: a stock-market panic.
3. Slang One that is uproariously funny.
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or resulting from sudden, overwhelming terror: panic flight.
2. Of or resulting from a financial panic: panic selling of securities.
3. often Panic Mythology Of or relating to Pan.
tr. & intr.v. pan·icked, pan·ick·ing, pan·ics
To affect or be affected with panic. See Synonyms at frighten.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'I') am honestly not concerned about a panic.
pan·ic Pronunciation (pnk)
n.
1. A sudden, overpowering terror, often affecting many people at once. See Synonyms at fear.
2. A sudden widespread alarm concerning finances, often resulting in a rush to sell property: a stock-market panic.
3. Slang One that is uproariously funny.
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or resulting from sudden, overwhelming terror: panic flight.
2. Of or resulting from a financial panic: panic selling of securities.
3. often Panic Mythology Of or relating to Pan.
tr. & intr.v. pan·icked, pan·ick·ing, pan·ics
To affect or be affected with panic. See Synonyms at frighten.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'I') am honestly not concerned about a panic.
Until it happens obviously.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'P')eople won't panic because they don't want to panic,
Of course they won't panic. They will rationally consider the fact that their way of life has gone for ever and quickly settle down into an Agrarian Utopia without blaming Goverment (and we all know what that entails), for the situation they now find themselves in.
I'm sorry but who are you trying to kid here. I've seen panic in Britain before when refineries were blockaded and Supermarket shelves were stripped of basic foods, because people followed your presumed model of rationally considering their situation and didn't panic.
I actually find it very amusing that you believe that people can decide whether to panic or not.
Do you think it will go something like this?
Suburban Husband (reading newspaper) - " Look dear it says the World has one day of oil left"
Suburban Wife - "Oh that's terrible. What do you think should be done about that"
Suburban Husband - "Well I for one was considering some panicking this afternoon at about 2 O'clock."
Suburban Wife - "What a good idea, although I have to stop at 3 to be back for when the kids finish school"
Suburban Husband - "Well why don't we put it off until the day after the oil runs out, when we'll all have something to panic about."
Suburban Wife - "Panic! Whose's panicking?"
Suburban Husband - "Not me dear! We still have One day left of oil, and scientists and oilmen say that oil will last for another 30 years. Amazing!"
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'a')nd since PO for the most part of it isn't something which is as apparent as let's say a fire in a theatre,
Considering we get 99.9% of our information from mass media, you would think that this vital information would be broadcast to the masses, frequently enough so that everyone would be prepared for future events.
But nooooooo. PO is still restricted to broadsheet newspapers, high brow radio stations and fringe 1 hour doomer specials, in the style of tabloid journalism which inflates the whacko doomerism and becomes subject to "can't happen to me" outlook.
Thus, PO doesn't become as obvious as simply the "Oil Running Out" headline. PO is a mechanism made from many other already complex mechanisms, social, geo-political, geological, thermodynamics to name but a few.
The "Fire in the Theatre" is an obvious threat because everyone stupid or clever can see it. PO will fool everyone even those that study it, because as sure as the sky is blue, if you've been focusing on one mechanism of PO and your data informs you that this is the case, another aspect will come up behind and rear end you to prove you wrong.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'a')nd since we have enough indication that Joe Sixpack doesn't get it even if you hit him on the forehead with the facts...
Nice and patronising, just like the whole of your post. Making sweeping comments with no basis in fact, generalising using stereotypes.
I believe that there is about 3 senators who are warning the REST of the US Senate about PO, but seem to be falling on deaf ears. There are many people WITHIN the Oil industry refuting the existence of PO. There are many SCIENTISTS who try and explain why we are not running out of oil, with some claiming the Earth is MAKING oil all the time.
Now which of those groups could be labelled as Joe Sixpacks. None of these will be ready for PO when it comes. In fact they will be in the worst hit group because these are the people believing it won't happen at all. And more dangerously, they are the ones spreading misinformation to people like Joe Sixpack, with the message -
"Why worry, your life's fine now isn't it? Don't listen to these people that are telling you anything different"
And when this turns out to be wrong, THAT'S when Joe Sixpack will not only panic, but get angry. Very angry. Because he'll realise he's been sold a lie.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'P')eople will be pissed about higher energy prices, there will be a lot of scapegoating and demands for action, but panic, I don't think so...
I so hope you are being sarcastic.
