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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby rogerhb » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 21:30:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'I')t isn't a defect; rather, it is a fundamental design element.


Jack have you gone all "ID" on us?

Let's just say it's not a defect, it's a characteristic or feature we have inherited, and historically, generally found that people with it are at less of a disadvantage than those without it.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Heineken » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 22:06:37

Well, Mortifiedpenguin, are you getting the attention you craved?

Here's a thought: Ask not what the hell is wrong with everyone, but what the hell is wrong with yourself. Usually you'll find enough that needs rectifying that you can forget about everyone else.

Here's another thought: Compartmentalize. Put your rage about the world in one compartment and your personal life (and death) decisions in another. That's what I do, and it works.

Save the suicide pill until you really need it.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Declan » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 23:35:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', 'I') have finally become sane.

What the hell is wrong with every single person on this planet? Why do we fight each other? We are the SAME FUCKING SPECIES!!!!! What the hell is wrong with everyone?


Doesn't it just make you want to grab a big fuckin' gun and just kill all those assholes who pissed you off so?
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby MonteQuest » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 00:13:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', ' ') Why did Japan even attack the US in the first place?


From my book:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Montequest', 'A')fter Hitler invaded the U.S.S.R. in late June 1941, and Japan occupied the rest of Indochina, FDR froze all Japanese assets, thus cutting off trade, including oil. Without oil, Japan could not long continue the war against China; without oil, the Japanese Empire would wither and die. Japan made numerous efforts to negotiate using diplomatic measures to avoid war, but the U.S. rejected their offers.

America demanded that Japan relinquish all conquests since 1937, withdraw all her troops from both China and Indochina—and in effect abrogate her Tripartite Treaty with Germany and Italy—as the price of lifting the embargo. To Tokyo, this was an ultimatum.

Thus the day of reckoning came for the Empire of the Sun; diplomatic surrender and humiliating retreat from China, and the end of their reign as a great power—or a desperate lunge south to seize the vital resources (oil in Indonesia)for which Japan was starving. But first, they had to neutralize the one force that could prevent them from doing so: the U.S. battle fleet riding at anchor at Pearl Harbor.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Why was there a World War I and World War II? Why has there ever been a single war? .


Power and control of resources.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby chuck6877 » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 01:14:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', '
')If we had just all united as one race, we wouldn't have any problems. We could have built a utopia.


There are those that think we're moving towards a NEW WORLD ORDER with the united human race under one government that you seek.

It is supposed to be a utopian society.

Kind of Orwellian don't you think?

Maybe it won't be such a bad thing though.......

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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby MonteQuest » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 01:40:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chuck6877', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', '
')If we had just all united as one race, we wouldn't have any problems. We could have built a utopia.


There are those that think we're moving towards a NEW WORLD ORDER with the united human race under one government that you seek.



Yup.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the late nineteenth century, with the industrial revolution sweeping Europe and America, some of the more erudite of those from the wealthy, intellectual classes of England dreamed of a world far different from the one they lived in; a world organized in such a way that wars would be impossible and every aspect of human life would be arranged by educated men for the benefit of all.

From the very beginning, they discussed how to alter life in the United States, how to change the attitudes of Americans to give up their cherished principles and concepts of government and be more receptive to what we will call the collectivist model of society.

After many months of deliberation, they came to the conclusion that, out all of the options available for altering the attitudes of people in the United States, there was only one that was really dependable. That option was war. In times of war, they reasoned, only then would people be willing to give up things they cherish in return for the desperate need and desire for security against a deadly enemy


Think Patriot Act and the Iraq war.

“Naturally, the common people don’t want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.” —Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg trials.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby katkinkate » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 02:02:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rabbit', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', ' ')Is the entire population on this planet any different from yeast on a petridish?


Yes, we are different. Yeast can't destroy the Petri dish. :cry:


No they can't. They just suck up most of the nutrients in the agar and pollute the rest with their metabolic wastes. The petridish 'lives' on. Humans have no capacity to destroy the planet, we are just changing the biosphere into something that threatens our species' (and many others') existance.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Omnitir » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 02:09:31

Does anyone here care that this poor chap seems to have topped himself primarily because he has bought into the alarmist pessimist take on peak oil?
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby americandream » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 03:15:26

Go read Das Kapital. It can be done...but it calls for the use of a clear understanding of history.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby EndDays » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 12:07:06

I look at your hopelessness and see that it stems from your misunderstanding of who we are.

Here's the Biblical persepective.

We didn't evolve from apes. In fact that very premise is Satan's way of promoting even more pain and death. Why should anyone care about being accountable for their actions if they're told there is no God?

Our true God and Creator created us perfect, in the image of God, but because we disobeyed Him and sin was brought into this world, we also have the consequences that come with it - death, pain, suffering, war, murder, hatred, greed, lust, disease, turmoil etc etc.

This world is a mess because of sin, our seperation from our Holy Creator, and being under God's Wrath.

Thankfully He's made the provision to forgive us through Jesus Christ taking our punishment on Himself.

The test in my signature shows us exactly why this world is in the state its in.

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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Jack » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 12:47:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'I')t isn't a defect; rather, it is a fundamental design element.


Jack have you gone all "ID" on us?

Let's just say it's not a defect, it's a characteristic or feature we have inherited, and historically, generally found that people with it are at less of a disadvantage than those without it.


ID is an imponderable. It cannot be proven one way or the other. As such, it seems a useless speculation.

But the issue is deeper than just people. Conflict and the will to power seems to be in pretty much all animals. Even a herd of cattle has a dominant cow. Plants, given the chance, will strangle out competitors.

Things that don't try to suppress all other competitors don't reproduce. They die out, suppressed by other species, or other instances of their own species. So we need not resort to design; evolution would do fine.

Same conclusion - it's a fundamental part of life.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 13:39:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'I') look at your hopelessness and see that it stems from your misunderstanding of who we are.

Here's the Biblical persepective.

We didn't evolve from apes. In fact that very premise is Satan's way of promoting even more pain and death. Why should anyone care about being accountable for their actions if they're told there is no God?

Our true God and Creator created us perfect, in the image of God, but because we disobeyed Him and sin was brought into this world, we also have the consequences that come with it - death, pain, suffering, war, murder, hatred, greed, lust, disease, turmoil etc etc.

This world is a mess because of sin, our seperation from our Holy Creator, and being under God's Wrath.

Thankfully He's made the provision to forgive us through Jesus Christ taking our punishment on Himself.

The test in my signature shows us exactly why this world is in the state its in.

ED


Why is it that these fundie comments all read exactly the same? Not an original thought in their pinched, enslaved brains . . .
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby keekles » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 16:02:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', 'W')hat the hell is wrong with every single person on this planet? Why do we fight each other? We are the SAME FUCKING SPECIES!!!!! What the hell is wrong with everyone?

I just read a nice short piece by Vonnegut, lauding Susan Sontag for her insight on the human condition, which might be satisfactory to your queries: "She was asked what she had learned from the Holocaust, and she said that 10 percent of any population is cruel, no matter what, and that 10 percent is merciful, no matter what, and that the remaining 80 percent could be moved in either direction."

You just have to ask yourself which bracket you fit into, and go with it.

(quote from this article: Susan Sontag and Arthur Miller, In These Times Magazine)
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Concerned » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 17:37:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'D')oes anyone here care that this poor chap seems to have topped himself primarily because he has bought into the alarmist pessimist take on peak oil?


Hehe Im reading sum of the stuff from your sig links :)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The settlement of the solar system is somewhat overdue to my impatient mind. If we in the U.S. had set our minds to it, we could have colonized an asteroid by now. If this had been done, we would begin to know how people born there feel about life in space, when they would be inclined to declare their independence, and how fast they could or would expand from their own resources. Future historians, however, will consider the delay that annoys me as not worth mentioning.


I love some of this sort of stuff.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')However, even within the solar system, there will be other gardens. For example, both Mars and Venus can be moved into the earth's orbit and given earthlike atmospheres and climates. Some people already have figured out how these things can be done. If you want to figure out how to do it well, you'd better study mathematics, science and engineering.


If someones figured it out why would I want to re figure it out just show us how it's done or just do it. If it's good enough for my cell phone or internal combustion engine it's good enough for moving planets in our solar system IMO>
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 17:59:15

people still call them "fundies" ? heheheheh
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Declan » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 18:06:19

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We didn't evolve from apes. In fact that very premise is Satan's way of promoting even more pain and death. Why should anyone care about being accountable for their actions if they're told there is no God?

Our true God and Creator created us perfect, in the image of God, but because we disobeyed Him and sin was brought into this world, we also have the consequences that come with it - death, pain, suffering, war, murder, hatred, greed, lust, disease, turmoil etc etc.

This world is a mess because of sin, our seperation from our Holy Creator, and being under God's Wrath.

Thankfully He's made the provision to forgive us through Jesus Christ taking our punishment on Himself.


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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby BastardSquad » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 20:05:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', 'I') have finally become sane.

What the hell is wrong with every single person on this planet? Why do we fight each other? We are the SAME FUCKING SPECIES!!!!! What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Why do we kill each other? Why was the bomb invented? Why was the nuke invented? Why is there a such thing as a torture device? Why are there racists? Why do we crash planes into buildings and kill 3,000 people? Why did we kill the innocent people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Why did Japan even attack the US in the first place? Why was there a World War I and World War II? Why has there ever been a single war? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH US?????????

If we had just all united as one race, we wouldn't have any problems. We could have done great things long ago. We could have the greatest technology in the universe. Colonies all across the galaxy. Cures for everything. No wars. There would be no Peak Oil. We could have built a utopia. How did we mess up? HOW THE HELL DID WE MESS UP??????

This is absolutely pathetic. There should never, ever, ever be a reason for one human being to kill another. There should never be a reason for two people to fight each other. It's never too late for us to unite, pick up the pieces, and solve the problems that really matter, but we won't because we are just too stupid. We are pathetic. And I am done with it. I quit. I'd rather die than be a part of the absolutely pathetic race called humans.

Goodbye.


Ding Ding Ding!!!

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'I') look at your hopelessness and see that it stems from your misunderstanding of who we are.

Here's the Biblical persepective.

We didn't evolve from apes. In fact that very premise is Satan's way of promoting even more pain and death. Why should anyone care about being accountable for their actions if they're told there is no God?

Our true God and Creator created us perfect, in the image of God, but because we disobeyed Him and sin was brought into this world, we also have the consequences that come with it - death, pain, suffering, war, murder, hatred, greed, lust, disease, turmoil etc etc.

This world is a mess because of sin, our seperation from our Holy Creator, and being under God's Wrath.

Thankfully He's made the provision to forgive us through Jesus Christ taking our punishment on Himself.

The test in my signature shows us exactly why this world is in the state its in.

ED


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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby davep » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 20:39:06

I don't know if mortifiedpenguin is for real or not, but I think somebody should try to find out. Is there anybody out there who knows enough about him to start enquiries? The moderators?

And I won't appreciate replies from idiots saying it'll improve their chances in the die-off.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby EndDays » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 20:45:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'I') look at your hopelessness and see that it stems from your misunderstanding of who we are.

Here's the Biblical persepective.

We didn't evolve from apes. In fact that very premise is Satan's way of promoting even more pain and death. Why should anyone care about being accountable for their actions if they're told there is no God?

Our true God and Creator created us perfect, in the image of God, but because we disobeyed Him and sin was brought into this world, we also have the consequences that come with it - death, pain, suffering, war, murder, hatred, greed, lust, disease, turmoil etc etc.

This world is a mess because of sin, our seperation from our Holy Creator, and being under God's Wrath.

Thankfully He's made the provision to forgive us through Jesus Christ taking our punishment on Himself.

The test in my signature shows us exactly why this world is in the state its in.

ED


Why is it that these fundie comments all read exactly the same? Not an original thought in their pinched, enslaved brains . . .


Actually, Christ sets us free from being enslaved. Remember that when you stand before God and He asks you why you rejected His free gift of Salvation.

This is Him warning you about the consequences of dying in sin.

For the original poster, if you are still reading this thread, there is no need to dispair. There is a great Hope and He doesn't turn anyone away no matter what they've done.

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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Denny » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 20:57:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy is it that these fundie comments all read exactly the same? Not an original thought in their pinched, enslaved brains . . .


The human experience is much the same over the countless generations. The nature of sin is the same underneath, only the way it is demonstrated changes under new circumstances. The "big 7" sins are just as real today, impact us just as much, as when Christ walked the streets of Nazareth and Jerusalem. Thus, likewise the remedy. Its a sign of our misplaced pride, not our wisdom, that we think things are so much different in our world of today.
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