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Postby vision-master » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 16:05:10

If you don't read the newspaper ,you are uninformed.If you do read the newspaper ,you are misinformed. Mark Twain

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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby nwildmand » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 16:16:05

very nice link. i knew about the doctered smoke photo from little green fooballs blog. i wonder how much of this propaganda is getting through. it makes me take everything i hear about lebanon with a grain of salt.

here is the website that first exposed the doctered photos. they have kept up with everything else it seems.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

passing around and posing with dead children seems to be a hobby in lebanon.
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby rogerhb » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 17:16:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'p')assing around and posing with dead children seems to be a hobby in lebanon.


Similar in Iraq. Just as well there are so many to go round.
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby Miki » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 13:56:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', ' ')i wonder how much of this propaganda is getting through. it makes me take everything i hear about lebanon with a grain of salt.

passing around and posing with dead children seems to be a hobby in lebanon.


You probably prefer the Abu Graib pics. Those are the hobbies of your honourable military. Along with raping 13 year old Iraki girls and killing all their familes after (including their 5 year old brothers).

It makes me take everything I hear about Irak with a grain of salt. I wonder how many of those incidents we've never heard about.
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby seahorse2 » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 14:23:51

What is propaganda? Propaganda has to include limiting "speech" as much as it includes doctoring speech (photos). In the United States, its illegal to photograph the flag draped coffins of the war dead coming home, so, everyone, including my own country, is limiting or using the press to manipulate public opinion.

Check this out how the United States military is using psyops on its own people via the media coverage:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y law, the Bush administration is expressly prohibited from disseminating government propaganda at home. But in an age of global communications, there is nothing to stop it from planting a phony pro-war story overseas -- knowing with certainty that it will reach American citizens almost instantly. A recent congressional report suggests that the Pentagon may be relying on "covert psychological operations affecting audiences within friendly nations." In a "secret amendment" to Pentagon policy, the report warns, "psyops funds might be used to publish stories favorable to American policies, or hire outside contractors without obvious ties to the Pentagon to organize rallies in support of administration policies." The report also concludes that military planners are shifting away from the Cold War view that power comes from superior weapons systems. Instead, the Pentagon now believes that "combat power can be enhanced by communications networks and technologies that control access to, and directly manipulate, information. As a result, information itself is now both a tool and a target of warfare."


The article confirms how the military paid a private citizen, Rendon, to manipulate the media with false information confirming WMD in Iraq.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Rendon is a man who fills a need that few people even know exists. Two months before al-Haideri took the lie-detector test, the Pentagon had secretly awarded him a $16 million contract to target Iraq and other adversaries with propaganda. One of the most powerful people in Washington, Rendon is a leader in the strategic field known as "perception management," manipulating information -- and, by extension, the news media -- to achieve the desired result. His firm, the Rendon Group, has made millions off government contracts since 1991, when it was hired by the CIA to help "create the conditions for the removal of Hussein from power." Working under this extraordinary transfer of secret authority, Rendon assembled a group of anti-Saddam militants, personally gave them their name -- the Iraqi National Congress -- and served as their media guru and "senior adviser" as they set out to engineer an uprising against Saddam. It was as if President John F. Kennedy had outsourced the Bay of Pigs operation to the advertising and public-relations firm of J. Walter Thompson.



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Moral of the story, everyone is manipulating everyone, or trying to.
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby Miki » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 14:40:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'W')hat is propaganda? Propaganda has to include limiting "speech" as much as it includes doctoring speech (photos). In the United States, its illegal to photograph the flag draped coffins of the war dead coming home, so, everyone, including my own country, is limiting or using the press to manipulate public opinion.


Check the article posted on the thread called "Israeli communications". It is a report on how American organizations use the media to brainwash Americans in favor of Israel and against Muslims.

THAT is way more corrupt than a stupid picture and it has way much more impact.
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby Specop_007 » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 14:42:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'W')hat is propaganda? Propaganda has to include limiting "speech" as much as it includes doctoring speech (photos). In the United States, its illegal to photograph the flag draped coffins of the war dead coming home, so, everyone, including my own country, is limiting or using the press to manipulate public opinion.


Check the article posted on the thread called "Israeli communications". It is a report on how American organizations use the media to brainwash Americans in favor of Israel and against Muslims.

THAT is way more corrupt than a stupid picture and it has way much more impact.


Brainwash or educate?
Guess that depends on what side of the bomb your on.
I consider it education, to understand the scum, trash and filth that call the Middle East home. I also consider it education to explain why we have to fight them.
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby nwildmand » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 14:45:15

miki if you actually read the links people posted here you would know that the deception in the media concerning lebanon is far and wide. many of the photos are staged. it does not do your country any good.
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby Miki » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 15:38:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'v')ery nice link. i knew about the doctered smoke photo from little green fooballs blog. i wonder how much of this propaganda is getting through. it makes me take everything i hear about lebanon with a grain of salt.

here is the website that first exposed the doctered photos. they have kept up with everything else it seems.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/


Of course a blog is a great source for evidence, especially one in which you can't find a *single* comment/article criticizing Israel.
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby Miki » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 15:46:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'B')rainwash or educate?
Guess that depends on what side of the bomb your on.
I consider it education, to understand the scum, trash and filth that call the Middle East home. I also consider it education to explain why we have to fight them.


The report does not provide any information for you to make your own judgements.

Did you read it? It is a manual on how to phrase/distort/exaggerate/trivialize facts so as portray Isael in a better light in the media.

It is a manual for effective brainwashing of the American public. It even says that it provides "instructions on how to say things in order to convince 70% of the American public". I am not exaggerating. Even nwildman acknowledged that he thinks the Jews own the media, and so they distort things to their convenience.

Please read it first and then tell us what you think. I'm very interested in knowing your opinion (I'm not being sarcastic).
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby nwildmand » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 16:27:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'O')f course a blog is a great source for evidence, especially one in which you can't find a *single* comment/article criticizing Israel.


that blog made rueters make an apology and got a "photographer" fired. everything they say is a fact.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'P')lease read it first and then tell us what you think. I'm very interested in knowing your opinion (I'm not being sarcastic).


and you need to take your own advice.
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby Gigashadow » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 21:08:12

So is the motivation for the reporters doing this just do get more press, or because there's a secret all powerful pro-arab faction controlling the media?

When did the arabs get this power anyway? It would certainly be nice to have something to balance out AIPAC (an organisation that is frankly treasonous, as it tries to influence US policy to do things that the US would not normally do because they aren't in its interest).
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby azreal60 » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 21:24:17

Here is the problem I have with that entire little video on the website you guys linked to prove your point.

The guy who added smoke, the reason he couldn't have a shot that showed the smoke like it was in his fake pic is because he was too pussy to get up close enough. It wasn't just that he lied, it was that he was a bad photographer.

The staged photos, sure, they probably where staged. Not doubting that for a second. Doesn't take away from the destruction behind the stage. That wasn't staged.

The guy with the hat, I can't judge because I wasn't there. What did occur to me though, is that sure, there are some people there doing propaganda for both sides. That doesn't mean lebanon didn't get blow to all hell and gone. It just means that stupidity is a universal human condition.....
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby seahorse » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 22:59:51

I'm less concerned about the teddy bear thrown in the picture than the multi-story buildings that are flattened all around it which look like, at one time, they were apartment buildings where people lived. Maybe I'm still confused though. Is the whole picture fake?? Did the pesky photographers add those flattened buildings in there too?

It gets me wondering. Maybe the whole Israeli invasion didn't really happen. Did the Israelis really invade Lebannon and knock out power reactors, bridges, cause oil slicks, blockade harbors? Now that I think about it, it all sounds so stupid, there's no way. Now that you've pointed out the truth about the fake teddy bear, I'm confident that the whole "Israeli invasion" didn't really happen and was just an Arab propaganda hoax to generate world hatred for Israel. I can't help but kick myself for being so gullable. I fell victim to the Osama matrix eminating out of some Pakistani cave. Thanks for the link and the insight. Enquiring minds want to know, and I'm glad I do.

It pisses me off though. Those damn arabs. It pisses me off that those damn arabs can out propaganda the richest country in the world using only a few handheld cameras and cheap computer software. If the US wasn't so hamstrung by its moral belief system in not using propaganda, we would show them another thing or two. Imagine what they Pentagon and CIA could generate with all their assets if they weren't hamstrung. Forget it, wouldn't even be a fair fight.

We patriots aren't hamstrung. Maybe we can fight back for the US even though our military can't under its moral code. Zardoz seems pretty handing with all his avatars, maybe Uncle Sam can recruit him. I'm willing to write false intelligence reports and dissiminate them. There's a lot of talent on these boards that can be put to use. We'll give Osama bin hiden a run for his money.
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby Jack » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 23:37:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'I')t pisses me off though. Those damn arabs. It pisses me off that those damn arabs can out propaganda the richest country in the world using only a few handheld cameras and cheap computer software. If the US wasn't so hamstrung by its moral belief system in not using propaganda, we would show them another thing or two. Imagine what they Pentagon and CIA could generate with all their assets if they weren't hamstrung. Forget it, wouldn't even be a fair fight.


Though I sense that you wrote this with tongue in cheek, you may have come closer to the truth than you might prefer.

Why is it that Shiite militias can - apparently - kill thousands of 'raqis, but the world worries more about a few bad kills by the U.S.? Truth be told, the insurgency is causing far more death and destruction than the U.S. military has come close to creating; however, the U.S. gets blamed for events that we cannot control.

And then there's the matter Miki brought up. The wise thing would have been to quietly cover up the termination of the 'raqi family and their 14 year old - along with, perhaps, a false-flag car bomb to degrade any evidence and remove witnesses. Unfortunately, our ever-so-tender morality precluded that, resulting in a public relations incident.

Abu Grahib is another case in point. U.S personnel took photographs. That is not a smart move. But far worse was permitting the release of those images. It's much better if those who have been interrogated simply disappear. Helicopter rides can be effective - the Persian Gulf is large and deep. And with weights, a body might never be found.

Unless and until the U.S. realizes the requirements of the new warfare paradigm, we will remain at a disadvantage.

So, as I say - your post is close to the mark indeed. My compliments. 8)
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby Miki » Fri 25 Aug 2006, 05:27:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'W')hy is it that Shiite militias can - apparently - kill thousands of 'raqis, but the world worries more about a few bad kills by the U.S.? Truth be told, the insurgency is causing far more death and destruction than the U.S. military has come close to creating; however, the U.S. gets blamed for events that we cannot control.


The Shiah militias methods are despicable. They're killing their own people. Even Hisballah has accused them of terrorism. However, they wouldn't be there in the first place if the US had not invaded Irak. If they wanted to take Saddam out of power "in the name of democracy", that's fine--thank you Bush. We just wonder what they're doing there 3 years after Saddam was arrested. Other than stealing oil, recruting followers for terrorist groups, perpetuating the chaos, putting their puppets on the Iraki government, and torturing/raping/cowardly slaughtering Iraki civilians, that is.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd then there's the matter Miki brought up. The wise thing would have been to quietly cover up the termination of the 'raqi family and their 14 year old - along with, perhaps, a false-flag car bomb to degrade any evidence and remove witnesses. Unfortunately, our ever-so-tender morality precluded that, resulting in a public relations incident.


Rest assured that they've done that with a lot of similar incidents. We were only exposed to the tip of the iceberg.
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby Miki » Fri 25 Aug 2006, 06:08:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'e')verything they say is a fact.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'P')lease read it first and then tell us what you think. I'm very interested in knowing your opinion (I'm not being sarcastic).


and you need to take your own advice.


I checked all the links you posted, and I can't understand what is the point of these bloggers, other than to defend Israel from the undefendable, and to disrespect the suffering of the Lebanese civilians that were injured and slaughtered.

1-About the "staged" pics, showing death/gruesome pics is commonplace in Arabic TV. They don't have the restrictions that Western TV has. Reporting reality as it is--is not considered staging by Arab jounalists.

And in any case, does it really matter if they showed the bodies of the children to the camera or not? The only important thing is that those children were killed. I can't believe those people are bringing that up. There is not a single place in that website where any of those Israeli bloggers (cause many if not most of them are Israelis) apologizes for all the children slaughtered.

2-You are repeatedly blaming Lebanon and Hisballah for this, when the main actors here are the personnel of your Western press. They obviously do it to increase their ratings.

3-I find it really disgusting to see those bloggers make fun of the volunteers who risk their lives by digging in the rubble to help survivors escape and to recover dead bodies. That tells you a lot of which kind of people these bloggers are. They don't care who they disrespect: the dead, the volunteers, the suffering of a nation; all they care about is to accuse Hisballah of things they didn't even do (the press did it) and to defend Israel from the most unjustifiable war crimes.

4- What these objective bloggers are basically saying is that every single news report that condemns an Israeli crime is fake/paid for/distorted. Anyone that is willing to believe that has a severe damage in the area of the brain that is used for critical thinking.
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby Gigashadow » Fri 25 Aug 2006, 18:14:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '
')The Shiah militias methods are despicable. They're killing their own people. Even Hisballah has accused them of terrorism.


Hisbullah kills civilians too -- those it suspects might have collaborated with Israel.
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby Miki » Sat 26 Aug 2006, 12:22:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gigashadow', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '
')The Shiah militias methods are despicable. They're killing their own people. Even Hisballah has accused them of terrorism.


Hisbullah kills civilians too -- those it suspects might have collaborated with Israel.


Many countries condemn those that practice treason with the death penalty because by doing that, those people are putting the lives of all Lebanese in danger.

I disagree with the death penalty in all its forms. I'm just explaining why what Hisballah does is not illegal or exclusive to Hisballah.
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Re: Photo Fraud

Postby Z » Sat 26 Aug 2006, 13:09:27

The western media is full of shit. They're in for the money, not for the truth. What's new ?
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